2022 Tundra

This thread is moving super quick so I am a few pages behind, but wanted to share my thoughts on the 2022 Tundra as a current F150 owner.

Looks: I get the look is polarizing, but I personally really like it. Everyone hated the new Chevy's when they came out and now people like them. The same will happen with the Tundra. 30% of people will say they hate it no matter what the design is.

Payload/Towing: The payload numbers are a little disappointing, but I personally don't care because my boat is only 3500 pounds. I wasn't expecting 2000 pounds in a limited version, but all the upper trims appear to be in that 1150-1350 range which isnt much of an improvement. I dont have any issue with the 12,000 pound towing limit, we all know you run out of payload before getting to that max. You should be getting a bigger truck if you are towing over 9,000 pounds IMO.

Powertrain: I like both options. I have a 5.0 V8 that has been great, but would not hesitate to a Toyota TTV6. I am really curious to see the mileage, I am guessing they will beat the comparable Ford numbers by 1 maybe 2 MPG's.

Other Random Thoughts: No tailgate gimmicks which is fine. I have not seen it on here, but I am assuming no auto4WD option? This is probably the biggest miss for me. Being from a colder climate, I love having the option to put it in "alltime 4W" (don't want to get into an argument over the intricacies of AWD vs. Auto4 etc).

Overall I am impressed and will likely buy a slightly used one in a few years.

 

You are correct, that is what every other truck manufacturer does, because it confuses customers that have no idea how payload works into thinking that they have what they need. I see people talking about Fords payload close to the tundra etc, but Ford actually has a max payload on the F150 of 3,325 lbs available. None of them are anywhere close to that, which makes the Tundra payload so disappointing for as long as they have been working on it. That suspension they have allows them to do some different things with springs but they simply say....eh..our trucks aren't for working so no one needs it anyway...its a cop out to me.

Link to articles with ford payloads
https://www.motortrend.com/news/2021-ford-f-150-pickup-truck-towing-payload-power/


Ford F150 Payloads with engines etc

• 3.3-liter V-6: 1,985 lbs
• 2.7-liter EcoBoost V-6: 2,480 lbs
• 5.0-liter V-8: 3,325 lbs
• 3.0-liter Power Stroke V-6, turbo-diesel: 1,840 lbs
• 3.5-liter EcoBoost V-6: 3,250 lbs
• 3.5-liter PowerBoost V-6, hybrid: 2,120 lbs

 

The next Tacoma will also ride on this platform so maybe they are just preparing for them to share bed cleats, reduces cost on there end. Toyota went to the shared platform to decrease manufacturer costs which is smart but then product can also suffer as well because this thing now needs to be a Tacoma, 4runner, landcruiser and tundra. Sweer's even mentioned some of this in his interview that it brought challenges to the table and compromises had to be made. He has gone against some of the things he talked down on in the past like electric power steering for example, Sweer's was a fan of a hydraulic system in a truck. I think that's also why the payload hasn't increased much and is just acceptable because this platform isn't just for the Tundra.

 

Yep. Or who hate the interior. Which I still think is currently the best.

 

Nobody likes the Silverado looks. They just buy it because they’re blind brand loyalists.

 

Pretty sure it was the dealers saying that it was a "World Beater", rather than Toyota Corporate.

 

I'm sitting at the local dealer while my truck is getting serviced. I tried getting more info out of sales but they really don't have much beyond what's already been discussed here a bazillion times already.

They only thing I could really confirm is not to expect to see any Iforce-Max hybrids until Spring 2022.


They have a Lunar Rock Sequoia TRD Pro on the floor....with a $9,995 market adjustment.

 

This is just what I was thinking, there are some obvious compromises made on the Gen 3 Tundra to shave costs. However, this setup in a Tacoma would be NUTS.

 

I'd go that route for sure. But a manual seat on the TRD Off Road? Seriously!? One of the requirements for my next truck is a power driver's seat. I have a weird body shape and being able to fine tune a seat incrementally vs the set notches of a manual seat makes all the difference in comfort to me.

 

My brother-in-law LOVES it… but he’s a brand loyalist I sent him a pic of the Gen3 (he hates on my truck all the time…) he surprisingly LOVES the new Tundra look. The human mind is a wild place.

 

That's just it, 1,700-1,900 lb pay

So are the using the exact same chassis? Does this mean the Tacoma is going to be even larger, or do they scale the chassis down?

If they used the same chassis with a smaller cab and box then wouldn't that make the Tacoma have more payload than the Tundra? I guess they'll adjust the GVWR down to match the smaller size truck.

 

Well it doesn't have to be the very best in all things to be a world beater. Think decathlon: you don't need the record 100m, the record hurdles, the record... you just need the composite of all of it over all of the events better than everyone else. Every athlete has an event or two that they're a bit weak in.

This truck looks to have 90% of the best of its competitors but with the (presumed) addition of reliability (which has yet to be proven but with Toyota it will be presumed until proven otherwise.) It's the overall package that would be the 'world beater' not any individual stat.

 

I think the compromises they had to make for the Tundra to reside on this platform, will be a strength to the 4 runner and Tacoma. Those two could be the world beaters when they bring out the new generations.

Thats one of the reasons why it was baffling that they were so adamant about making sure to tell people that the Tundra does not match their competitors or beat them in numbers important to truck buyers and users because their truck buyers are lifestyle buyers so they didn't feel they had to do that.

Their lifestyle vehicles actually reside in the 4 runner and Tacoma and I agree those are their customers, and those 2 models sales numbers reflect that. Abandoning any mention of trying to get new truck buyers that need a truck to look at a Tundra is a mistake I believe.

 

Touting the highest potential payload in the barest bones truck is not deceptive. Toyota does not fudge their numbers. The math of a well-optioned crewmax being a few hundred pounds less than the highest potential crewmax payload works out. When you add things like a sunroof, steps, bed liner, larger fuel tank (reminder: they calculate curb weight with a full tank of fuel), skid plates, 20” wheels, or all of these features to a truck that started with a max potential of 1560 lbs of payload, it makes perfect sense that your Limited or Platinum truck will be around 300lb heavier, which means it has 300lb less available payload.

GM and Ford both got caught fugding their numbers. That is, they went beyond saying what their highest potential payload is on a bare bones truck. GM actually removed items you shouldn’t remove in order to bring curb weight down even further. Ford has been caught exaggerating their numbers in multiple areas as well. There is currently a class action lawsuit (one of many) against Ford for incorrect payload numbers in their HD trucks.

Toyota’s numbers are actually correct, which is why they’re at the back of the pack on paper.

 

Ditto. I can't understand why they didn't include it, especially since the Sequoia has had a full time 4wd system for years.

 

That is strange, they should have gone ahead and put the AWD in it, that would have capped off its car like features perfectly. The 4wd system is pretty much the only thing they left that is proper for a 4x4 truck.

 

Fudging about max numbers really doesn't mean much anyways, because it is always for the most stripped down version that few will buy now a days. I get that it's deceptive and slimy, but mostly for people who don't know better and assume that the max payload is what they're going to get regardless of trim and options.

What's on the yellow stick on the door jam is what counts, now if they lied about that number then there's some real liability problems.

To me "max" payload and "max tow rating" are meaningless marketing numbers.

 

After reading that article I guess you could say Toyota nailed their mission. They weren't out to steal from the big 3. But rather improve current Tundra ownership and maybe convert Taco owners to Tundra owners instead of leaving the Taco for a big 3. I'd rather see a company like Toyota make an enthusiast 1/2 ton rather than try to do both like Nissan and introduce something like the catastrophe XD to compete with the capabilities of the big 3.

In the end it does enough from what their typical owner does and has lifestyle to it.

 

Oh, I know about toyota locked ecu's, I've bought owned and driven them for going on 30 years now.
Even so, there will still be ways to get hp gains until a workaround for the ecu is found.. there always is a workaround or something eventually. Maybe not the first few months/year, but someone will come up with a solution.

 

Yep. I don’t care what max numbers are, just what the numbers are on the door jamb of the truck I’m buying. And GM and Ford have both deceived people with their door jamb numbers. Toyota has not.

 

I like the look of select trims. Silverado Custom and RST and Sierra Elevation look good to me. The others not so much.

 

Nope. I refuse. I understand in this market MSRP is probably going to be a deal, if you can get it, and I will pay that. But I'm not going to get a$$ raped. The first dealer I called is the one where I have bought several cars and trucks in the past. I will never buy from them again. The second one, who claims they will sell it to me at MSRP, has become my new go to IF they come through on their promise. I am a big free market guy but that also means NOT buying if you dont like the conditions or dont want to support said conditions. The guys agreeing to pay over MSRP are the ones who will keep it propped up. All economic indicators are that we are headed for a drop in the next 12 to 18 months. When the market corrects itself remember these guys who charged over MSRP.

 

Every other manufacturer's 4x4 system has a 4Auto mode. Why can't Toyota's?

 

Ford and GM have offered 4H, 4L, and Auto4WD in their trucks since like 2007. Its a very nice option to have if you live up north, and they already offer it in the Sequoia like Cpl Punishment mentioned.

 

auto-4wd is nothing like awd. the ram has auto-4wd for it's higher time levels and I'm sure the other domestics do as well. this was a miss for toyota for sure. I'm very impressed with most of what I've seen on the new truck but this is the biggest miss.

Along with the hybrid battery placement (I will never let that go! NEVAAA!!!!!!!! lol)

 

I'm 100% a Toyota truck owner and fan. I've never cared for Nissan and I'm well aware of the poor resale and the abortion that the Cummings deal became and is.

I really wanted Tundra to just get closer to the crappy domestics in payload so I could justify buying one. But my '21 gas Platinum Reserve XD has just about every feature everyone on here is so excited that Tundra will now have, plus a 6' bed, a fine interior and a strong V8. This truck drives and tows surprisingly well. I've own/have owned two Tundras, one Tacoma, one FJ Cruiser and one 4Runner and I promise you this Titan is far from a catastrophe. Basically I have a Platinum level trim, crew cab, long bed 4x4 and still 1,708 lbs of payload.

I came out of a '17 2500HD Denali Duramax and the Titan tows as well (stability wise) and has only 300 lbs less payload, plus makes for a much nicer daily driver. Nothing can really compete with a diesel for towing, but that was the first and last GM product I'll ever own......

 

One other thought about this truck and the fully boxed frame and rear coil spring suspension, hopefully it eliminates bedbounce on segmented highways.
My truck with a 3" lift and 34" tires gets some horrid bed bounce on segmented concrete highways at certain speeds. I hope that is eliminated with the new truck.

 

Mike Sweers and Toyota have emphatically stated several times that the hybrid is primarily for power.
I think this is Toyota's way of letting us know that the mpg may be less than we hope for.

And the lack of AWD is a huge miss for me. Only the domestics offer it.
In the long winters we have here, my Titan is a handful at low speeds. I hate it. My Q60 has AWD, it's so nice in the winter. I have to be super careful with my Titan, and it weighs 6200 pounds empty, has BFG KO2 winter rated tires, torsen style rear diff, 390 torque and ABLS....too much gas and it's like being on greased ice, and that's just trying to keep up with traffic.
I can't imagine what a lighter, more powerful Tundra would be like at 480 or 580 torque.

People say "just expect to drive slower, what's the big deal? Well, it's a truck, the bed is lighter than the front, and the engine is super powerful, lack of AWD makes itself known. It's why Subaru puts AWD on every vehicle, even 148hp CVT wheeze boxes.

Holy shit, I just went on a diatribe!

 

If touting their bare bones as available payload on ads isn't deceptive then why are there quite a few Ford, GM, and Ram owners who think their Crew Cab Platinum/Laramie/Denali can haul 3000+ lbs? I get that it's very easy to look at the door sticker, but when so many people think it's safe to load up double what their truck is actually rated at where do you draw the line at deception? At least with the Tundra you're only going from 1940 lbs to 1500 prior to fluids and options (side note why didn't Toyota just add 60 lbs to their GVWR to get 2000 lbs, it's a big advertising jump to get that number, and we all know 60 lbs on the SR model would not be a legal issue)

It's a huge pet peeve of mine, and a huge reason I prefer Toyota, that they create these tow king models that 10 people buy just to put in huge bold font that the model can haul 3333 lbs of payload in the brochure, and super tiny font what that model is. Pretty deceptive to me

 

I though the XD was only the Cummings. Carry on them if it has the gas V8 because that’s a pretty good engine.