One year in review of the 2022 Toyota Tundra, swing and a miss.

Someone who comes out of a 2020, and had 3 GM’s before, the new Tundra is so much improved from the last gen. I tow fairly often, and the 5.7 would spend a lot of time at 3000 rpm’s. Never seemed happy. The new TT rarely gets above 2400 and has much more low end torque and usable power at highway speeds. I am guessing those that complain about turbo lag did not have the 5.7, as this one is much quicker.(I do not have the hybrid). Anyway mine is extremely quiet at highway speed, no rattles, and much improved over the last gen (with exception of base sound system_-that sucks). Since I do not rate trucks on tow hooks and bumpers, this one is just fine for me.

 

I like this guy and watched his previous reviews.

For the most part, Yes, his seat broke. Yes they're having some challenges with the infotainment... Oh well, big deal.. These are just minor issues. And if you're expecting a 100% perfect truck without any issues, such truck does not exist.

Keep in mind, he's a YouTuber, he makes money making these videos, so once he's done with a Tundra, posted bunch of videos and reviews, he made some money on it and there's nothing else he can possibly talk about it anymore. He even said that in his review that his limited trim doesn't have any other options and he has nothing else to talk about.

He said that he'll be selling Tundra and getting a diesel Chevy to review next... To make more content, more subscribers, more money on ads.

Cool, if I was making money reviewing trucks, then yes I would try Tundra, then I would go try another truck, and another... While making videos and making money from these videos.

If he's a regular guy like most of us, we keep our brand new truck for a while. If our seat breaks, we fix it under warranty and move on. And no we don't sell our truck because of small things, because we got better things to do with our money than support a local dealership sales staff.

Plus, while entertaining and informational, a 10k miles review isn't really important to me as I'll be keeping this truck for 200k miles then selling it to a friend or family so it runs another 100k miles. I don't care that a plastic seat needed to be fixed a couple of times.

More interestingly, and nobody mentioned this, is his Blackstone lab results which was not good at all, and shows us all that we should change oil early on at 1k miles, then 5k miles to get the break-in metals flushed out... I just did oil change at 1k last week, dealer looked at me like I'm stupid.

 

There are a lot of things I think are pretty cool about the 3rd gen. Given Toyota’s track record, I am confident they will mop things up sooner than later and settle into typical Toyota dependability. I’m not in the market, but what would have made me think hard about jumping would have been significantly more payload (like 1800+ lb in a crew cab 4x4 configuration).

But the payload (and the MPG) are meager improvements IMO, so I’ll stick with the one I have. Mine gets worse mpg, works harder to tow 8k lb, and rides less comfortably, but it’s paid for and I love it. I care less about how many cylinders I have and more that they work for an insanely long time.

I remember I changed mine at 500 miles using Mobil1 Advanced Fuel Economy. It made my lifters noisy, so I switched to Amsoil at like 1200 miles or something. Far quieter.

 

Yeah I thought that part was really interesting, I’d agree with a 1k or just very early on oil change. The Honda generator I have you’re supposed to change the oil after the first usage (20 hours or so) then its much longer after that, likely a similar situation.

 

As someone on the fence I thought either getting a RAM, F-150, or the Tundra, from what I've seen other reviewers and commenters say, everything he's stating is fairly common complaints.

I do have an order for a limited TRD, and the fact that some parts would feel cheap, especially compared to the very luxurious RAM Limited, definitely makes me question my order.

That being said, the F-150 tremor and the RAM Limited are both about $13,000 more expensive than my limited TRD order, so you have to take that into consideration.

For everything I read, it's an amazingly capable vehicle for the price. It may not be as quiet as the F-150, nor is smooth as an air suspension RAM Limited, but it's a nice middle to everything in terms of performance and comfort.

 

You should be able to negotiate with Ford and Ram. They got huge inventory to get rid of, no shortage of trucks, and they'll give you very nice discounts... 10% off or more.

Tundra... You'll be lucky to buy at msrp or maybe 1-2k off.

 

Really? Ram and ford do not have huge inventories at all around here , you’d be lucky to find one on the lot, il in a large market as well

 

Oh I see. In California their lots are full. I have hundreds of Ford trucks in dealerships around me to choose from.

 

Wow!

 

Here in az I wasn't able to get anything but at MSRP with no addendums.

I did find a few Ford and Ram dealers that do 3% under invoice, or offer $10k under sticker.

Problem is that I don't see the Capstone as capable, whereas the Ram Limited is very luxurious and very capable. So I settled for the Limited TRD, which puts it around $13k under the Ram/Tremor builds I would want.

 

But around my area, SF, CA, Tundras still sell for 5k+ over msrp, and no inventory available... It's starting to soften up though

 

Totally agree. I watched Andre's reviews and owning Tundra for about two months agree with all of it.

 

By the way, Andre at tfl did Blackstone lab test for his Tundra oil at 7k miles and it wasn't bad.

Tim did test at 10k miles and it's pretty bad...

Change your oil early people

 

There’s a reason every YouTuber post videos titled the 10 reasons I hate my lambo/ Ferrari/ tundra bs!

 

I’m sorry man I need to learn manners. It’s been a bit since I’ve been in a forum . I’m so use to Facebook bs . Im going to improve myself cause I ain’t here to be that .

 

Turbo motors = change the oil early, and then change it often.

10,000 mile oil change intervals are a horrible idea if you want to own a vehicle long term.

Cut that in half and do it at 5,000 miles or twice a year whichever comes first.

 

Just my take from Tim's video:

Regarding the rubber thing hanging down in front: I'm guessing that has to do with someone at the factory not knowing how to install it correctly.

Regarding the weather seal at the window: I'm guessing that is a defective part that came in and Toyota didn't know that at the time of vehicle assembly.

Regarding the broken plastic part by the front seat: There must be a story inside of Toyota on this one. I cannot believe that such a weak part was not noticed during Toyota's internal prototype runs and their engineers using the truck. I therefore conclude that this was a) a cost cutting by the part vendor; b) the Toyota internal purchasing dept buying from another source and not telling engineering and/or not having another choice in this supply chain chaos; c) a last minute design change that never got fully vetted. Or a combination of all the above.

Regarding the lack of a bumper step on the rear: just plain old dumb on Toyota's part. There is a 2021 Tundra down the street from me with exactly the same stupid add on step. I saw them back out of their driveway the other day going downhill with the step still deployed, and almost breaking it off. There is probably a hard headed manager in Toyota who doesn't think integrated step is a good idea, or as someone else posited, Ford/GM/RAM has it locked up with patent(s). The later I don't believe either, as the famous Thomas Edison said "there is a way, find it".

Regarding the Android Auto/Car Play problems: it's my personal observation that this does not work well on any vehicle. Maybe I'm wrong on this, but it's "only" software, hopefully Toyota improves this with an OTA software update.

I also observe from Tim's video is that he has zero complaints about the drive train, suspension, or anything major or even beyond just annoying. Further, he has a first month build as I understand. This has to be somewhat risky even for the best of auto manufacturers, especially during a pandemic.

I therefore conclude that the new Tundra has all the important stuff done well. And the good news is that the bad parts are rather easily fixed, bumper step aside. I'm looking forward to getting our 2023 1794 later this week. Hopefully nothing stupid will be wrong with it.

Lastly, since Tim buys and sells many different trucks, I do agree with his own conclusion that getting a Limited trim is below his expectations. That's probably why he doesn't "love" this truck. (I don't mean to insult anyone who purchased a Limited or below, it's all a cost/benefit/use case personal decision and I totally respect any such personal decision)

Thanks for reading this far down

 

I have a new one on the way.......what were the infotainment issues? I will provide an update.

 

True Dat !

 

I'd like to see a review this time next year to see how many common issues found in the '22 were fixed in the '23. That, more than anything else, would reveal how serious Toyota is about correcting the issues.

 

They said

Seats really comfortable.

They liked the features.

No problem with engine

No problem with transmission

Ok - The issue with the seat has me shaking my head. Why so flimsy mine is 4 years old and it doesn't move. And it does make me think what other sub quality - parts of the truck are going to be made known to be me over time. Unless this is a one off issue this would be reason enough for me to hold off buying till resolved.

Lack of Bumper step and Tow hooks has been discussed forever.

I believe the big error they made was in the side step choice. This really took away from the enjoyment of the truck. Getting in and out and rubbing on the seat each time. Well it made the seat issue very apparent.

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She discussed the Toyota App
So the Toyota app collects information on your driving behavior.
Harsh cornering Fast acceleration naughty braking.
Give me a break.

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Wished they got higher trim level - everyone with a lower trim says this after time.

At the end they brought up their 2013 Tundra and how much they liked it. Just saying.

 

My buddy has a 22’. He has had so many problems that the dealership has agreed to take it back in trade at no loss to him on a new one. Pretty sad for Toyota. I have been driving a Tundra for over a decade but I would have to seriously consider other trucks if I was buying a new one today.

 

@LJOHNS, can you elaborate on what problems your buddies 22 has? And how early in production was it built would be interesting too.
Thanks

 

I don’t know all the issues. We were just chatting about it over the phone last week. He said lots of little things. I know it was pretty early in production. He is a long time Tundra driver also. He pulls his bass boat all over the place.

 

OK, no worries LJOHNS.

Hopefully a year from now we'll all be thinking these were new model start up problems, made worse by pandemic troubles.

 

Just for the record...

I checked that plastic piece on the side of my driver's seat on my 1794 edition, and it feels pretty solid to me. Yes I have leather seats instead of Soft-tex that's on a limited, and 10 way power seat, so maybe there's a different plastic piece, but my plastic piece is a hard 1/8 in plastic, doesn't bend at all and is attached very well to the seat. I tried to move it around and yank on it and it's not budging. Maybe if I somehow keep hooking on to that plastic piece with a big boot, then maybe eventually it'll come off, but it was never really on my way. When I get out of the truck, I always try to grab the handle to lift up a bit and do not slide down my seat (trying to avoid rubbing on the saddle tan leather seats to help preserve them).

So my 09/2022 build 1794 edition definitely doesn't have this issue with weak plastic at the drivers seat. All is strong here.

 

This is great to hear Kap1. We are getting our Nov 11 build 1794 TRD in the next few days. This concern should be gone Thanks for posting.

 

haha I bought a super late model 22 sharing the same thinking - over 1 year in production = iron out some fine details. This was dealer ordered in July, built in Nov, it still has quite a few qc issues, also check out some 2023 quality videos on the tundra, they didnt look like they made that much of a improvement that everyone keeps blabbering about - 1st year growing pains will get addressed on 2nd year runs......

this truck almost seems like it was built in a pandemic and ppl had incorrect training , some of the trim pieces on my truck should not have passed qa, I really dunno how Toyota can put their name behind it. The engine and tranny are awesome, power/trq everywhere, but everything else about the truck is just meh. It does look super cool imo