Tundra edging out F150

https://www.motorbiscuit.com/2023-toyota-tundra-just-outranked-ford-f-150/

Tundra doing something’s better than F150. Hopefully the reliability jumps up as they get the kinks out.

 

I don’t have an opinion one way or the other, but that report means nothing to me. I couldn’t care less what consumer reports says about anything.

 

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I had 4x4 Expedition '17. It's not F150 but close. After four years it started to fall apart. After 5 years it was moving but with so such much grinding (not IWEs) . It developed rust everywhere, inside cabin included. I understand it may be structurally OK but it looked ugly.

 

I would love to know how a Gen3 Tundra compares to my 2021 F150 just for curiosity's sake even though I'm happy and not interested in trading. I would have tested Tundra when I was shopping early last year but was told by more than one dealer my first opportunity for wheel time would have to be when I accepted delivery.

I can say my Powerboost has a firmer ride than my Gen2 Crewmax but still very comfortable. For the first 6-700 miles I was having some buyer's remorse over ride quality as I remembered the F350 dually I had wheel time in several years ago as feeling a little bit smoother than this one. But after that first couple months some sort of break in seems to have finished with the shocks where it started to become significantly more absorbent. Not quite as much so as my Gen2 and I'm sure even less so than the coil spring trucks. Firmer than others but not to the point of being uncomfortably so. It is a much more stable and agile handler than my Gen2 Tundra in the twisties though.

As I've mentioned on here before, Propower on board won me over in comparisons with other brands of trucks that had advantages on the exterior or in ride smoothness. Nothing feels leaps and bounds ahead. Ram interior is a bit better and Ram and Tundra ride a bit smoother. F150 was close enough to everything else in most other categories. But then finding that generator setup in the bed as bonus when I saw a truck otherwise pretty close to what I generally wanted on a lot was the real deal closer. If that weren't there good chance I'd have ended up in a Ram or 6.2 Silverado.

 

I don't place a lot of stock in the various vehicle ratings. Especially since the quality of Ford trucks has gone downhill and their recalls have been so bad.

 

I ain't gonna lie, my build month and year has dodged a number of bullets so far. I was in the trailer brake controller recall but I think it has dodged a number of others. May or may not need wiper motors and I initially thought I might fall under the mysteriously self opening tailgate recall. But since I've become more careful how I handle my fob when I get into the truck I haven't run into any problems, leading me to believe there are people hitting the release button while driving. Certain versions of My model have axle problems that my build date and equipment group also does not fall into. Ford seems to have been hit in a number of ways by the supply chain, one of which is they periodically switch parts suppliers based on what they can get their hands on. A lot of the recalls aren't super broad. Just one year or number of months in a Vin range. So it seems like a certain year and number of months won't fall into a recall based on whoever the supplier is for that time frame. But then they'll switch suppliers and get bad parts for a stretch which they then have to go back and deal with. I wonder if Ford could remedy some of their quality issues just by having a more consistent set of suppliers through a design cycle.

Idonno, I will see what happens during my Geico 7/70 mechanical breakdown coverage period. But of all the reasons I have given for switching brands "Muh Ford Tough" has not been one. I am keeping an open mind on all that until my truck develops a 4-5 year track record for me to look back on.

 

Probably way too early to say anything about long term reliability of the 3rd gen Tundra.

 

They say the Tundra has faster acceleration and yet every major magazine review puts the 3.5 Ecoboost F150 a full second faster 0-60 and through the quarter mile. Even the 2.7L Ecoboost matches the tundra. So what were they comparing it to, the NA 3.3L base F150 motor?

The smoother ride and better handling I can 100% believe. The F150 factory shock tuning is abysmal. a $375 set of Bilsteins is a MASSIVE improvement and should be the first thing any F150 buyer does.

 

the powerboost I drove was faster than the non-hybrid tundra I tested as it should be, it was also more clunky and didnt ride nearly as nice as the tundra with the coils

 

My Powerboost is pretty much neck and neck with or just off the rear fender of my old 2016 Challenger RT 6 speed through the quarter on paper. I just have to live with it sounding like a ShopVac as it blows everyone else's doors off.

 

I guess Im getting older, but I dont really give a shit about having the fastest truck. The powerboost was the fastest I tested but it also broke down on the test drive.

The tundra just seemed smoother in the powertrain and also the ride.

that said, the Ram rides and drives the smoothest, not real close either

 

Believe it or not the 2022 Tundra beats the 2022 F150 for reliability on Consumer Reports. It's 3/5 vs 2/5. Earlier Tundras were all 5/5: https://www.carsdirect.com/compare/ford-f-150-vs-toyota-tundra

The Tundra also gets a little better mpg on Fuelly vs the 3.5L Eco... high 16s vs low 16s.

 

I am not rushing to judgment either way. But we have one truck that was completely redesigned ground up for '22 but not widely available until the last few months and one that was cosmetically redesigned in 2021, but had the same suspension and all but one new powertrain already on the market for several years. I am not sure how one takes any long term reliability comparisons seriously at this point regardless of who comes out on top.

 

agreed, and more simply put, its all bullshit, needs way more time to say anything about reliability

 

Im skeptical of both a new powertrain design and ford products. But Fords been in the turbo truck game much longer with variants..

 

Yep Ford has been at the TT V6 game for 10-plus years. Toyota might still have a learning curve with revisions needed throughout this design cycle or it could turn out once they get initial issues out of the way that they maximized the advantage of watching Ford all this time and will be able to leapfrog ahead. WE just don't know yet.

 

And I repeat my statement that I've made before that I don't know that the half ton market will ever see as solid of a powertrain again as the 5.7/6 speed. And if it had been held over with a bump onto the 400-plus hp range and 450-ish pounds of torque I wouldn't have thought twice about a Gen3 even if it was middle of the pack in every other category. But Toyota sending that combo to the graveyard gave me a sort of "nuffin left to lose" feeling and opened up the field for me.

My 09 was weeping coolant in the end but it otherwise shifted and drove at 113k and 13 years same as it did on the test drive in 09

 

I never got the "I need to have the fastest truck" thing either. I get that being fast equates more HP and torque, but its a 6k lb+ TRUCK. If I wanted a sports car, that's what my market would be.

 

the Ram rides and drives the smoothest, not real close either
its the highest rated truck
all the people I know with them love them especially the Ridgeline like tailgate open for access to the bed. I know people with a Limited, Rebel and Warlock.
Its available on lots to buy..... 15% off MSRP.

.....but I guess none of those are good reasons to get one ?

 

I'll go on to say I don't get the need for a V8 in a truck either, but growing up my dad had the little 4 pops in his Toyota Truck.

I'd think the reliability issue trumps those, unless you don't plan on keeping past warranty. But 3rd gen reliability is a giant question mark at this point. Though, I'd say the Ram probably has the most legacy powertrain since the 5.7/6 speed went away.
Ford seems to change their powertrain ever mid-cycle refresh and GM is getting there too.

 

No is keeping these trucks past warranty for the simple reason that they will be obsolete "tech wise" - and by then the EV movement will be prominent.
Obviously my opinion - mark this post - 8^0

 

I didnt think Fuelly differentiated between the hybrid and non-hybrid tundra though.

 

But they're not 6000+ lb trucks, which is why they are so fast. Even a Raptor R with a supercharged V8 and 37's is sub 6000 lbs.

A stock F150 would give a lot of sports cars a run for their money on the street especially when traction isnt guaranteed, but can still haul all your groceries while driving the kids to soccer practice.

 

Lol Consumer Reports.

 

I disagree on the hybrid, it adds cost, complexity, future repair costs, and loss of storage, and the addition of weight. All for a little more torque for towing, which if I towing that heavy Im buying a bigger truck anyways.

I would say that makes it debatable at best, I for one did not want one at all.

now, if they made it worth while with extra features, like on board generator or something that would be different, but they lost me with the loss of storage right off the bat.

just my .02 though

 

it doesn't get 2-3 mpg better across the board (only in the city and its only 1 in combined driving) and even if it did, to answer your question, no that power and MPG doesnt do it for me for all the reasons I listed.

and I for one would use the generator all the time work and vacations, etc also home power back-up

 

My hybrid didn't get any better fuel economy. And what does 40-50 horse power actually mean in reality? We're not testing 0-60 times.

 

Anyone that tows a travel trailer for one. Contractors. Homeowners who want a generator. A 7200 watt generator would be a beast to move around, my 3500 watt sucks to bring camping and can barely run the basics in my house.

The 40-50 hp is almost entirely offset by the 500 lbs of added weight and the 2-3 mpg is offset by the $3500 increase in price for a lot of miles(~100k miles at $4/gallon). And that 40-50 hp is not available to me when I would actually want it, which is towing a trailer up a grade. The hybrid system shuts off around 50mph while towing from what I have seen which might make up about 0.1% of the time I tow.

there are drivability improvements but I dont feel it would be worth the weight and complexity as mentioned.

 

Im on these boards all the time, I really don't see any tundra owners complain about the lack of power either the last gen or this gen

and its not the extra HP off the line, its the extra torque, it is there and it does help, but just not enough on its own to warrant all the other short falls I listed before.

just to be clear, not putting down hybrid owners, just speaking for my .02