A better set up than Fox 2.5 DSC

Long story short, spent some time with a Gen 3 Raptor 37 package, I loved the seats and was surprised by the build quality (it's damn good) but I couldn't pull the trigger since downgrade in terms of power.

Right now my truck has Fox 2.5 DSC with 600lb springs with accutune tuning and Icon billet UCA, has the coachbuilder rear shackle on stock springs and air bags, TRD sways.

The Raptor rode phenomenal in baja mode, the steering is on par, the Icon UCA really made it feel good, those 37s with 116 load index rode smooooth, in person my truck is on par with ground clearance and height, I don't think I want any taller.

I'll probably swap out the tires with lower load index, but what else can I do?

- I don't want to go LT, I don't live in the desert, most trails here I drive on is very slow, so mostly crawling.
- I'm eyeing the Camburg rear suspension relocation kit, does it make it drive better? I still need to tow regularly.
- I feel like right now the truck is about 65-70% of what the Raptor has, I don't need crazy travel since we don't have the terrain here to utilize it, but that comfort was next level.

 

Well, more travel is going to give you a better performing ride, if you valve it correctly. Best to do on yours is max the rear and have sweet coilovers for the fronts that can handle the standard travel as well as possible. I have a very different truck (1st gen 2WD). but that one keeps up with a lot of trucks that are quite high dollar. My rear is very nice, but just better springs and leafs and shocks. I strap my rear from 8" stock to 12" relocation to 11" travel. Not baja but not bad.

 

Imo for what you’re trying to do the trd sway are killing you (i have both as well)

im thinking you need to look at a custom progressive quality leaf pack instead of the stock butter leaves

 

Honestly, I thought fox 2.5 DSC is the ultimate unless I wanna go long travel, but I really have no reference point besides gen 1 raptor, which the 2.5 is kinda same level, although not quite the same, but this gen 3 blew me away.

I guess I want nearly the same performance, just not keen on going long travel, or too much fab work.

Tried without the sways, ride slightly better but not as good as I thought, question is which spring pack.

Agree to all those, the question is what set up? From my noob understanding, the rear seem to be the limiting factor here, it seems the angle of the shocks are not ideal, which camburg relocation kit seem to solve, is that the right approach? Or is there a better option? Are my fox 2.5 the best I can get with stock LCA?

 

Deaver leaf pack, camburg or similar shock relocation and bigger shocks and tires as you mentioned. Raptor steering is electric and break all the time.

 

@BiggHertz can chime in with his Brazilian Butt Lift on his truck. It’s a sweet setup and definitely performs well. Not sure it’s gonna be helpful for towing though.

https://www.tundras.com/threads/bigghertz-dztlimo.101679/#post-2604985

 

Gen 3 Raptors are dope, performance is equal to my LT Tundra for hard off-rode use, and it’s better in every other driving situation. Mine is built better to withstand hard off-road use though. Fox Tundra MT coilovers and shocks are rough no matter what you do to them from my personal experience, hate to say it out loud but for your use Icon is probably your best bet for any noticeable ride quality improvement. The Camburg relocation kit is all about getting more travel for off-road use, not so much for improving quality of that travel.

 

what tires do you have? That raptor having 37s on 116 load is some cushy sidewall. If you're on an E load at 33"-35", I'd bet you're feeling that tire stiffness difference most of all.

 

In my case, shock relocation. I used the Archive Kit which I don't believe is available for your gen. But camburg is the same, more rear travel, with longer shocks and probably a different spring shackle set up than stock if I have that right. That's not a tow killer by any means imo.

 

Do deaver ride nicer when empty? Do they get noisy?

I also see on tav YouTube they run these relocation kit from camburg but face opposite way, but I can't find any info, what are the differences?

By rough do you mean harsh? It's funny how much better the truck rode when I switch to the 2.5, but now the raptor just blew me away, I've spent time in TRX and the gen 3 raptor drives wayyy better, what makes quality of travel?

Am I chasing an unreasonable goal?

 

Falken at3w , 285 75r18, load index 129 so yea.........

I'm gonna jump down to a 116 and switch to 325 65r18, hopefully some te37xt

 

IMO you’re chasing an unreasonable goal.

I have a Tundra and a friend with a gen 3 raptor. I drove that raptor and started doing exactly what you’re thinking. I upgraded to MCM fab’s Tundra mid travel kit. I pretty much did the works, including triple bypass rear shocks and Deavers. My tundra is pretty kick ass now, but I can’t honestly say it’s on par with the gen 3 raptor. Those things are built from the ground up to go fast and be comfy on rough terrain. You’re not going to get there without going LT and spending serious coin, imo. They’ve also got a pretty peppy TT engine and a 10 speed tranny. The 5 link rear and live valve is amazing. Just not gonna replicate that in a 2nd gen tundra.

That’s before you even get into clearing 37’s….

I will say that going to a load range C tire will help you. I recently dumped E’s for C’s and made a huge difference. I’m on Toyo 35’s.

All that said, I still love my tundra. It’s paid off, kicks some ass off road, and will probably run another 100k miles without too much hassle if I do my small part on preventive maintenance.

all depends on what you want, but I wouldn’t waste too much time/money trying to turn a tundra into a raptor. If that’s what you want, go for it!

 

Tavs relocations is from total chaos at least ours was. The leaf pack makes a huge difference. Zero noise and much better pack than what was on it before (Alcan). Super progressive but also able tow.

 

Why facing the other way? Is it to allow better compression?

 

The axle rocks backwards as it compresses so it makes sense to have the shocks facing rearward from my layman eyes. The thicker leaf pack also helps axle wrap.

the stock pack is a pile. Only having 4 leaves mean the main few are too soft then you hit the overloads too quickly

 

Better shock compression I would imagine and tunability. Ideally you want shocks as vertical as possible. The downside to some of the relocation kits is the angle of the shocks and the force on the mounts. The relocation allows the use of longer shocks.

 

Motion ratio for suspension tuning. Behind the axle on the shackle side keeps the motion ratio close to 1:1 throughout the suspension travel. So 12” shock yields 12” of travel. The Camburg kit mounts a 12” shock in front of the axle at an angle, this allows 15” ish of travel, but the motion ratio is off, and varies during suspension travel. The higher motion ratio is also harder on the shocks and mounting points.

 

Been exactly where you have been. King makes a 3.0 bolt on kit front and rear. No cutting or welding. I just picked up this kit as I have had fox 2.5 and icon in the past and I didn’t want to go LT when upgrading…. Just a thought!

 

Have you been able to throw the 3.0 King's on yet? I'm on fox 2.5 dsc and thinking of making the change soon as well.

 

Yes i just put them on a few weeks ago. I’ll snap some more pics today but they were the tickets that’s for sure! They are sold out just about everywhere right now but I was lucky to find them!

 

How does it feel compare to the Fox 2.5?

 

Just as soft… but that relative to how one has them setup. In my opinion …they take the big hard hits alot better and I feel they don’t fade as much. I do alot of high speed desert, track, jumping whoops ect. I did do a little flex test and articulation for the slow stuff and they are just as supple. The biggest advantage is the dampening they possess because of the size of them. All relative to your driving. Pretty big difference for me when going all out with 3.0 vs 2.5 vs 2.0

Just depends your use and if you want to run harder

 

@Downytide what does your airbag setup look like? Pics would say a thousand words.

 

Just firestone bags with daystar cradle.