Ford expects to bleed $4.5 billion on electric cars this year, but makes enough on everything else

EV's are a joke right now. It's kinda like the cart before the horse.

 

EV's are a Judas Goat to another bailout.

Can I just get a V8 Tundra with the 10-speed trans?

 

Demand for electric vehicles is growing at a fast pace…..
HAHAHAHHA now that’s funny

 

well now..it is...if it's a Tesla.

all the others, not so much.

and Tesla demand will continue for a short while until we hit market saturation.

and that's the rub. only Tesla is selling cars. the Gov abhors that.

 

What a great business model - sell stuff for a loss because they are told to offer a product that most people don’t want. Makes sense.

 

I think that's more of a assumption that's being pushed out there and regurgitated.

The typical EV charger roughly pulls 30-45 amps; the same as your oven. I haven't heard of any rolling blackouts on Thanksgiving day..
Most people charge at night when household load is minimal.

Now, it'll definitely increase the overall consumption but that's another topic.

 

rolling blackouts would affect gas stations? no?

better question...what happens when we start to fill the SPR? BOOM!

 

Why yes, yes they would..

 

Assumption? You’re joking, right??
Good lord
And none of what you claim is remotely close lol but nice attempt

 

Rolling blackouts aren't normal, so yeah that's an assumption that it'll become the "new norm".

This will be fun, fact check me.. tell me specifically how my claims aren't remotely close.

 

Here we go lol so you can lie about it all again? I’ll save my time
We all know who you voted for
But hey why don’t we start with your oven comment. Never heard of anybody leaving their oven on for 12-15 hours a night

 

Someone is mad
You too? Lol oops

 

That's a pretty quick turnaround. I mean, Zach had barely handed him the rope and he had the noose tied and was jumping off the chair!

 

Wrong, but that's funny

I'm talking about the load spike when almost every house has their oven on for hours cooking the bird. Not to mention all the other appliances in the house running prepping for Thanksgiving, you never hear of rolling blackouts then.

 

NGL, it's a factor, but there was much more to discuss that doesn't touch the no no zone. Especially with you and @NWPirate working in power generation.

 

He can't hear you...

 

Lol, bummer he had to go there. I was having some fun debating!

 

Now imagine Thanksgiving x 4.. IE 4 cars in my household. Either cook the “Turkey” or charge an EV with an 80 mile range cause it’s -30 so the fam can go shopping? And the shopping is 110 miles away with 3 gas stations between and zero charging stations. It’s not anxiety it’s rural reality. Order everything online well that’s an argument for another day!

 

Yeah, I'm honestly not faulting anyone for jumping on that black/brownout bandwagon. Especially with the media's doom and gloom perspective of the grid.

CA and TX definitely have their T&D issues, no doubt about that. But I think the bigger issue of EV mandates will be residential panels that are already maxed out either on breaker space or service size.

 

Yep, one car is not a big deal. Same here when my kids are old enough to drive, what a nightmare it would be to try and charge 4 cars every night.
Hopefully we can actually keep our ICE vehicles and have an EV for when it's convenient to use.

Totally against the mandates, I prefer the free market to sort things out.

 

And 2 of the kiddos moved out!

 

Here’s some information:
EVs are currently not realistic for cross country road trips. You have to locate charging stations in advance and plan for stays when you’re recharging. You need to download different apps to give you the location and (theoretical) condition of charging stations and plot your route accordingly. Even then, the information may not always be accurate; a station may still be under construction or may be broken when you arrive.
For getting around big metropolitan areas, EVs can be pretty practical.
There’s components in the EVs that are primarily supplied by china .
There are metals in the production of batteries that are sourced from 3rd world countries using child labor.
EVs can have battery malfunctions and burst into flames that are very difficult to put out
I can’t even imagine taking an EV off road for any over night and long distance excursions.
Most electric utilities do not have an infrastructure in place to accommodate everyone charging their cars. This is being addressed by smart meters and differential rates for off peak charging.
There’s lots more, I am on the board of directors for our local electric utility