Direct comparison 3rd Gen hybrid vs 2.5 Gen V-8 trucks

I like vehicles too much. Yep I watched this all the way through. Quite interesting. For those that want to know the differences or if worth an upgrade.

https://youtu.be/JJ5OrSu79Ck?si=mAons-80KyBwFAFu&t=1

 

That’s an early 2nd Gen, not the updated 2.5. It’s a 17 year old truck they are trying to compare with the latest version.

 

That 17 year old truck looks great especially since he is in Illinois. He used that one to compare the early years of both. I like he pointed out issues of the previous gen for the 1st 2 years just like Gen 3. Note to self, buy used 2024 and later in the future.

 

Well, I agree with him. He said if you’re going to get it to use as a truck, you should get the old one.

 

All my turbo vehicles developed wire harness, rubber diaphragms, vacuum hoses and air charge pipes problems in under 10 years because of extra heat. As well as I had to go ahead and replace 3 times the sensors compared to the same platform but with N/A engine. And turbo itself, too. It was like 5 years in a row something was breaking every day. Most of these cars didn't survive the 150k miles mark, because owners dumped them for endless repairs.

This is what awaits Gen3, too. Doesn't matter Toyota or not, how good or bad they did it: it's just pure physics. More complex is more things to go wrong.

But perhaps it's only relevant to old farts, because new drivers are not interested in driving per se and owning a vehicle in general. Leasing a new toy every couple of years is way to go for the new buyers en masse.

 

This video made me miss my '08 SR5. I like the new features of my '23 TRD Sport, but the '08 was a great truck.

 

I've owned both. I had a 2012 and then upgraded to a 2018. I now have a 2024. I prefer the 2024 that I currently own. I'm only at 10,000 miles....but it's been flawless so far. I plan to continue to tow and haul with it....and work it like a truck. I'm confident that Toyota builds a better truck than ford/gm/ram.....even with the current gen being only 2 years old. In the past 2 years they have addressed a few key complaints (seats cracking and wind noise). I still trust a Toyota truck over the competition.....even with the turbos. Anyone know what is the actual cost to replace the turbos? I might keep this truck for 20 years.

 

In my experience turbo was not the problem. I got a replacement turbo for like $600, but everything else was the problem. Modern turbos from reputable shops like Mitsubishi are very hard to kill. They last longer than everything around that the turbo heats up.

 

Of all the vehicles/ engines Toyota has produced over the decades, the twin turbo'd six likely wouldn't have seen the light of day had current N. American "standards/emissions/etc" come in to play.

Just look at the old hilux's/ diesels that aren't imported still running in 3rd world countries.

The 4.6/7/5.7 are simply bomb proof in comparison.

My <2¢ opinion.

 

I am curious about the temperatures we see at those Turbos. Anyone know? Then, I would like to compare exhaust gas and intake air temperatures to the 5.7 temps. I believe that would be an interesting comparison and telling in long-term reliability.

 

I really miss my horse and buggy all I had to do was feed the horse grease the wheels once a year that ride was flawless. Not like all this new nonsense windows, doors, engines and crap.

 

Jebidiah, I am impressed to see you here online with us.

 

I'm old school I like a good draft horse. You guys are all Gung ho on these gas vehicles. You know you can only get like 300 miles on a tank of gas where you gonna fill up on your trip out west. The infrastructure just isn't there for these fancy gas rigs. Big brother needs to keep his hands off my horse.

 

Because.
Guess not.
Everything.
Very.

 

I even emphasized it for you.

Very.

 

Euro's has been problem free after all....

 

I watched the whole video. It seems like you guys are interpreting the end message in a way that it wasn't intended.

He basically said, if you just need a truck to do basic truck things and the tech and comfort of the new gen 3 isn't important then save your money and stick with the older gen with the v8. If you value the tech and comfort of the 3rd gen and are willing to pay the price for it, then go for it.

 

you know what they say, people hear what they want to hear.

agreed, he never said, if you want a truck for work use the older one, to insinuate the new one cant work

others are trying to take that once again to put down the gen 3.

small reminder, it tows more and hauls more guys.

 

About $8k from a Toyota dealer for one turbo.

 

Yep, aside from the self-inflicted abuse, it has held up. How many miles you up to, @Eurodriver?

Yeah I watched the whole thing too. He said if you just need a truck for truck stuff, go with the older one. If you care about tech and refinement, if you spend a lot of time in the seat like a contractor and comfort is important to you, then maybe the new one is worth it to you.

New one is comfier with more tech. Older one is simpler and more of an honest truck. Seems pretty straightforward to me.

He also said fuel economy is a wash between the two. Repeatedly.

 

Let’s be real, there’s not a damn thing a 1/2 ton driver would tow or haul with a 3rd gen that they would not also do with a 2nd gen, looking at the ratings or not. The 3rd gen is admittedly better at being a car than the 2nd gen. For the things that actually matter for using it like a truck, I’d say it is a tie with each having certain advantages over the other in different aspects depending on your priorities.

 

Same shit different thread lol

same ol stuff

 

And riding more like a car and less like a truck was Mike Sweers’ vision when heading the redesign of the 3rd gen. He’s on record in multiple interviews saying as much and referencing customer feedback/data as the biggest driving factor. Toyota also gave the customer more capability, yet the truck sucks because turbos and cheap plastics.

Both are great trucks, both have pros and cons like you mentioned, and both will eventually shit the bed. All machines do. Do I hate the cheap plastics and material choices in my 3rd gen? Absolutely. Does it drive significantly better than a 2nd gen. Absolutely. Will the turbos and/or other components crap out at some point? Most likely, which is why I got an extended warranty for the first time.

 

I find his reviews are usually focused. This one was all over the place.
He starts by saying its going to be a powertrain review and gets side tracked.
V8 vs the smaller V6.
The thing no one seems to talk about, and he does talk about it in previous videos, but not this one, so I will.
Engine oil gets contaminated and the Oil properties allow it to suspend these contaminants as it continues working, until the Oil change. We know this.
"Gas" is one of the "things" that mixes with, and contaminates the oil. All engine designs put Gas into the Oil.
Smaller boosted engines put more gas into oil than a larger N/A engine doing the same job.
And in a like to like environment, the Engine Oil in a smaller boosted engine, will be dirtier than the Larger N/A variant.
Logic says therefore.
If one changes the engine oil more often in the smaller engine it will be reliable. yes.
But because the general Oil environment is dirtier between changes, assuming everything else is the same as the N/A engine.
It will not be as durable long term. Theory sure until time goes by.
This becomes more a problem for the 2nd and 3rd owners.

His overall message. Avoid 22 and 23. He said Toyota paint was shitty for a $75k vehicle.
And I cracked up when he said the old Tundra had a proper V8.
But he was all over the place. Engine, doors, bed, seats, big screen.....

 

In all honesty, there is nothing wrong with the 3rd generation Tundra. It is a nice, capable truck. Is it worth 30k more than my current truck ... not a chance.

 

Hey look, it's April 3, 2024 and the same geezers and wannabe-geezers are writing the same boring comments whining about technological development they've written since April 3, 2022!

Can't wait to see how the conversations evolve by next April!

 

They are boring and repetitive and yet you are still here wasting your time reading and responding to them.

 

You didn't listen to the video...that was done on purpose.

 

It is funny that I went the opposite direction of most here.

I have already owned 2 Ford Ecoboost vehicles and drive daily a Chevy 4 cylinder turbo.

They all performed well with no major issues. Although everything I am reading is that Ford's quality has gone downhill in the last few years. That even 3 year ago F-150s were much more reliable than now. Might be because of striking workers that hate the company aren't the best to look after quality?

I bought a 2018 Tundra last fall for personal use. Why? Simplicity and proven track record.

I do expect Toyota to be better than every other manufacturer with turbo/hybrid systems after they work out the bugs.

The comparison says basically that. The new one is better but much more complicated and had bugs to work out. Just like when the 2nd generation launched. Which is why he picked an earlier model to compare to.

I pay attention because I likely will be buying a used one. Although I do like 4runners. When the new one comes out, I might grab the last of the previous generation if prices drop.