Interesting informed take on the Tundra Recall

Have people gone mad?
You don’t buy a brand new vehicle $70k US dollars plus and discuss plans to source a short block….. except to do a Youtube video for $$$.
He’s gone over the top – IMO. I used to enjoy his videos.
What happened to the days when you bought a new vehicle because you did not want to open the hood for 3 years “to do stuff”
If you own one of these I hope it brings you miles and miles of enjoyment.
If your engine gets hit – they better do a long block which according to his other video they have not done in history.
Maybe this is why they added hundreds of workers in the factory.,..for new long blocks ....hmmmm ?
Hopefully from the assembly line because you don’t get long blocks from the Toyota Parts dept.
Quite the dilemma for the Toyota book keepers who will need to approve any of this.

 

Yeah, he brought up some of these quality issues previously on his review of the Tundra which kind of shocked me as I wasn’t really following anything regarding 3rd Gen Tundras until we bought our 07 1.5 yrs ago. I need to watch this vid. Surely, he will do it for content with now over 1M subs. Surprised he didn’t go for LC. Lol!

 

Unfortunately the thread got deleted, but for all of you calling for Toyota to use long block replacements, that currently is not happening. The deleted thread had numerous pictures of Tundra engines being stripped and repaired at the dealer level. Did not see or hear of any out right replacements being done, still haven't.

This is similar to the Hyundai engine problem of 2013? Our daughters Santa Fe was affected by this. Her motor seized on the side of a busy highway and was initially told not covered, but after a little prodding she did receive a new long block replacement motor which has been running fine, BUT it also took 4 or 5 trips back to the dealer to fix / repair ancillary items that never got put back on properly. So even IF Toyota go the long block route eventually, it's still a major tear down and rebuild to put all the pieces back together again.

Daughters Santa Fe has been good since she got all the bugs finally worked out but it was a huge pain in the ass and waste of many hours and days of which you get zero compensation for. I seriously hope none of you have to go through this.

 

Yes, but with the likely scale of this it is hard to imagine burdening the dealers with so many short block replacements and so many customers with potential issues, callbacks and more reputational damage to the brand. Long blocks or "partial engine assemblies", while still a big job, would save time and labor costs and result in fewer potential future problems. We'll see...

And they should have plenty of engine assemblies anyway, since Tundras aren't selling much now. They ought to slow down new builds enough to fix this problem promptly.

 

This is the reason why a few of us are considering trading out. I've already discovered the metal and gritty materials in my oil in the last oil change combined with an uncertain repair....makes you wonder why not just hop out and drive something with a bit more predictability.

I'd even trade out to a 24 Tundra if I knew they were fixed. I don't hate Toyota...but I don't trust my truck with my family after the last oil change.

 

Exactly, I'd surely consider trading for a '24 Tundra if I was sure the engines were fixed. But Toyota is just not very transparent about this mess.

 

1. Maybe, maybe not. Appears humble and genuine enough for me to his customers & viewers. Puts effort and experience in his content to be informative, making money from his YT channel is likely viewed as a good side benefit. Selling his knowledge, tell me anyone who wouldn't do the same.
2. Couldn't agree more.

 

Yeah, my ex-BIL’s father worked at a Hyundai dealership as one of their courtesy drivers. He said they were replacing 4-5 engines/week and had a stk pile of them.
It would be the way for Toyota to go, but from a logistics perspective, their inventory management system isn’t set up for it, but it doesn’t mean they cannot do it. My gut feeling is unless there is more pressure/negative press, they will continue on the road they’re on. Like most in these types of situations, they will hope customers continue to ride on with the supposed “lore” of Toyota quality until sales numbers tank, but we’ll wait and see.

 

The engine replacements that were done were not a recall but a repair. The issues with just doing a short block is that debri that took out the bearing may cause issues in other areas. Also when such a large number of Tundras effected there is going to be a long waiting time for the recalls to be performed. Doing a short block takes a considerably more amount of time than doing a long block. Mr Jones isn't going to be a happy camper if he has to wait a year or two to have the recall performed. It will be interesting on the route Toyota will take and how this all plays out.

 

When I restored this guy from the frame up, including an engine and transmission swap, I meticulously labeled and organized every bolt and part that came off of it, so I could get it all back together correctly. And these old CJs are about as stupid simple as they come. I can't imagine tearing down my Gen 3 to the short block and keeping track of how it goes back together. Now, combine that with a busy dealership mechanic who is under pressure to complete the job as quickly as possible, and it's a recipe for disaster, IMO.

A fair buy back solution would be my preference with this recall, but that's not likely, IMO. At the very least it needs to be a long block swap.

 

I'd like to see multiple options based on the risk tolerance of the owners.

1. Fair Buy back with a check (like VW's TDI)
2. Fair Swap out with a 24/25 model + some cash
3. Full engine swap with lifetime engine warranty (or something far exceeding the 125k warranty they offer)

I think a choice to owners would really change the narrative for Toyota. The solution doesn't have to be one size fits all and targeted buy backs would allow a repair plan that provides a clear stream of CPOs back to dealers when things normalize. Additionally, they could haul them to facilities dedicated to engine swaps, however they would like (if they wanted to do short blocks).

 

They will do whatever turns greater profit.

 

I agree but Toyota historically has not been short sighted like GM. They will look at the longer term repercussion.

 

they simply need to move back to the V8+10speed

Trd pro will have supercharger

there. All fixed

 

How about the 5.0 v8 they have in the Lexus (IS500)

Now that would have been a sweet motor for this truck

 

At minimum offered 3 engines. V6TT, V6TT+H, 5.7 V8

 

Or stroked 5.7 to 6.2

it would sell like hotcakes

 

Yes, no doubt. Pleases everyone

 

We took my ex-FIL’s 2022AT4 4x4 Crewcab 6.2L (420 hp) to pick up my daughter’s “new” 2011 Tundra, and the thing got 15.3L/100 doing 75 mph at 1,200 rpm! I know they have issues with the fuel /piston shot-off scheme, but holy hell! All this nonsense with 4-6 cyl turbos and hybrids is not worth it in terms of mpg. All smoke & mirrors IMHO…

 

Its for emissions - particles in the air.
my understanding.

 

I have an early 2022 and so far zero issues but only 6000 miles on it after 2 years. At the rate I am going I will run out of warranty time long before I even come close to the mileage limit in the warranty. I'm going to start having Blackstone testing done on my oil every 6 months.

 

All fun and games till it shits a lifter. Then you’re in the same place as the new 3.4TT Toyotas. Debris in the oil system.

 

In my opinion it does not matter who you are, what you are driving or where you are shit happens. When not if it does you must be prepared for it. Of course for a mechanical/electrical breakdown that is one thing you can get through but extreme whether you are not in control of, I think of this more and more moving to Colorado and we like to explore.

Always be prepared not only fr your vehicle but yourself and your passengers including the dogs.

 

I still find it interesting that none of the hybrids are being recalled. I know they account for a small percentage of Tundra engines. However, they account for 100% of the Sequoia engines, which are also not included in the recall. I wonder if they are built with different machining procedures?

 

Basically the same V6TT mechanical make up, but the hybrid will give you a bit of power so you can get off the road and out of the path of the vehicles flying up to rear end you. At least that's how they positioned it as far as "Safety".

Keep in mind that the focus of the recall is about safety. It is not really about the inconvenience of engine failure and if there was no safety component to this recall, it wouldn't be a recall at all. Just some engines failing and getting fixed at the dealerships, hopefully under warranty.

Toyota needs to keep the Hybrids going and sales of these so I am sure they fought hard to keep the hybrids out of the recall.

 

That simple Wrangler will outlast most if not all new vehicles made today because they are overcomplicating them to overcome distracted drivers that won't put their phone down and others that don't really want to drive anymore plus lowering emissions to cool off the Earth.

That breaks down, you can easily fix it even out in the woods. New vehicles, call the tow service.

 

I look forward to the car care nut's ownership experience. He is one not to pull punches. He even says Toyota needs to up their quality game, noting issues with his 2024. Looks like the paint and noise issues are still present from the factory. I could forgive that for long term reliability and lower price point. With the Price of these news ones, no way.

 

I just saw one last week in the Bay Area!

 

FYI, Jeep CJ guys HATE when other people call their rigs "Wranglers". AMC made CJs, Chrysler made Wranglers. Similar in many ways, but not the same.

But you are correct, there's nothing I wouldn't tear into to fix on my CJ. Not so much on my Gen 3.