2006 Tundra tire rubbing upper control arm

Hello everyone. First time poster here.

My tires are rubbing the upper control arms just barely when I'm at near full lock.

Suspension is currently full stock. I'm going to upgrade to Bilstein 5100's and OME 2885 springs soon and I'm wondering if this will fix my problem. Im also debating getting new UCA if you think this could eliminate the rubbing. Otherwise, i have read that new UCA are not necessary if I'm only doing a 2" lift.

Truck: 2006 Tundra DC 4.7L V8 4WD
Tires: Michelin defenders lmx m/s 285/70/r17
Wheels: Stock OEM 4runner wheels with +15mm offset and 4.5" BS

https://autorimshop.com/products/20...9ZVJQXJUM3pSQP-wpzP7ovM7bKbIub1BoCgAMQAvD_BwE

Thanks in advance!

 

Welcome from NY.

Scroll thru this post.

https://www.tundras.com/threads/official-tundra-wheel-and-tire-setups-pics-and-info.95/#post-858

Stock is +18mm offset. Maybe Spidertrax wheel spacers will help.

https://www.spidertrax.com/Toyota-Hub-Centric-Spacer?sc=2&category=9983

 

Your wheel choice is your problem but it’s also difficult to stuff 32.8” tires without rubbing. Have you read the suspension wheel and tire section of this thread yet? https://www.tundras.com/threads/1st-gen-lunch-table-general-discussion.60450/unread

It will give you a lot of tips related to what you’re looking to do.

I have a big problem with your post, you gave zero truck info. Year. Cab type. Engine. Drivetrain. These are all bits of info we need to help you properly. Help us help you by giving those critical details. That thread I linked explains why we need it.

 

I am sorry! Updated the post. 2006 Tundra DC 4.7L V8 4WD

 

I can't recall if anyone else is lifted with snowflake alloys on here and what their experience was. I want to say the snowflakes are one of the problematic T4R wheels, but I can't recall.

But I think you're wrong. I think the snowflakes are 17x7.5 with a +15 offset which is 4.84 backspace, which would put things way too close (IMHO) to rubbing your suspension. Adding lift will not fix your problem properly. Adding a UCA with extra camber and caster adjustment won't fix your problem.

Adding wheel spacers to adjust your backspace will fix your suspension rub issue, but spacers present their own challenges, especially if your preferred tire shop zips lugs on willy-nilly rather than torquing to spec.

The "proper" fix in this case is, I feel, making a better wheel choice.

 

Wheel spacers should fix your issue or changing wheels

can you post some picture, I’m surprised you fit the tires with no lift

 

Get new wheels.

Those are ugly and have a bad offset. Regardless of lifting the truck you’re gonna rub with your current set up.

Wheel spacers would be the cheap route. With stock wheels usually requiring 1.25” spacers AND upper control arms to get the job done proper.


Don’t forget, they need to be hub centric spacers. Our hubs are 106mm

 

Here is the requested photo. Fits in there pretty well, just minimal rubbing when I’m at full turn

This is the wheel/tire set up that was installed when I bought the truck. I really want to avoid wheel spacers, so I guess I’ll be in the market for new wheels.

Kind of a bummer, because I do like the aesthetic of these wheels. Perhaps I could use a narrower tire? 265?

 

Narrower may help?

FYI, those are basically 33s (32.7"). Stock tire was 265/65r17 which is 30.6" IIRC, you're way oversized on your tire. That setup would probably work with a stock tire size, or even 265/70r17 (31.6"). I'm running a really aggressive 275/70r17 (32.2" - Truck pics here) and it only rubs a hair at the mud flap at full lock, which I virtually eliminated with some mud flap trimming. Granted, we're running two diff't tires, so ...

What's the tread life like on those tires? Those are awesome tires, nice and quiet and good tread life. The previous owner just went waaaaay oversized for some reason.

 

Tires are almost new. I’m almost surprised how well they do fit all considering

 

I’m not sure what the offset difference is but I’m running the trd off-road wheels, They’re 17x7.5v vs those sr5 wheels at 17x7. I’m running 265/70/17 cooper rugged treks measuring 31.9” per cooper. The Michelin ltx is a great road tire, probably the best actually in its class. I’ve ran them before on another truck. As others have said it’s the offset causing your issue but they’re too big in general. They will rub everywhere with the suspension flexed. People have different definitions of what fits, to me it doesn’t fit if it rubs at full flex.

 

Also the what have you done to your 1st gen thread will probably be useful as well. I just fixed this issue as well in my 00, but there was compounding factors to mine.

Oh and welcome

 

5 to 10mm hubcentric spacers will fix the tire rubbing issue at full lock. Im running 255 70 17s on some FJ take offs and they rubbed real bad, I through on 1 inch spacers, cleared up the issue and I'm 2 inches wider front and back. The looks were a nice side effect.

 

How are yours a 32.2 and mine are a 32.8 with 255/70/17s?

 

255/70/17 doesn’t measure 32.8. That’s a 31” tire.

 

Tire size numbering = WIDTH/RATIO(c)DIAMETER, where (c) = the construction of tire (where "r" is radial tire)

To calculate the final tire diameter using those numbers...

• WIDTH ÷ 25.4 to get SECTION WIDTH
• SECTION WIDTH x 0.(RATIO) (i.e. 0.70) to get RESULT
• (RESULT x 2) + DIAMETER = actual diameter

That width value makes a pretty significant difference...

255/70r17 ...

• 255/25.4 = 10.03
• 10.03 x 0.70 = 7.03
• (7.03 x 2) = 14.06 + 17 = 31.06

275/70r17

• 275/25.4 = 10.83
• 10.83 x 0.70 = 7.58
• (7.58 x 2) = 15.16 + 17 = 32.16

It wouldn't seem like 20mm of width would factor out much, but when you consider you're multipling it times the ratio, then later doubling a result it makes a pretty big impact in the final diameter.

(Edit: I think some online tire size calculators round up, the above is raw math)

 

I think I'm just going to downsize the tire to 265/70r17. Compared to stock wheels I think this should work fine?

• Stock Tundra 17" wheels - Width: 7.5", Offset: +18mm, Backspacing: 5"

• Snowflake stock 4runner wheels - Width: 7" , Offset: +15mm , Backspace: 4.5″

Here is my source for specs on the snowflake wheels- https://trail4runner.com/2021/02/05/factory-5th-gen-4runner-wheel-options/

 

Hold up a sec and lemme run some numbers for you .

It looks like dropping from that 285 down to a 265 will cut about 0.8" off your width, so .4" per side. You're going to gain about half an inch of clearance. How bad/when are you rubbing?

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Only rubbing the upper control arm at full lock and not bad. I've even thought about just grinding down the control arm, or buying an aftermarket control arm that doesn't stick out as far

 

If it's not that bad, moving down two sizes will gain you almost a half inch. That's roughly how tall the average ring finger is. You'll know if it's not enough or not, so don't take my word for it.

I imagine you can probably get a good resale price on those Michelins. I'd expect you can sell used for $600 on all four if they're practically new. It's a really popular size. Would make it a little less of a hit.

But yeah, you could also drop $700-1,000 on fully-adjustable upper control arms like the SPC/Eibach ones, where you could kick the camber way positive, then have an alignment shop try to adjust it out using the lowers, in theory. (I wouldn't)

 

Toss a 2 inch leveling kit in there as well and 1/2 inch to 1 inch hubcentric spacers on all 4 hubs and it'll be super practical and clear your tires all day. Not to mention it'll look good as hell as well. Just my 2 cents

 

I have the same wheels with the original tires (take offs from a ‘23 4Runner, Dunlop Grandtrek AT20s which are 265/70R17. Doesn’t seem to be a highly rated tire, but I have no complaints whatsoever in my daily use, they’re smooth and quiet, no issues, 90% on road driving, been fine in wet weather too).

In certain circumstances I get a little rubbing on the frame, like full lock either direction, usually with a little downhill slope, not so much that I care really.
Stock suspension with pretty new Bilstein 4600s all around.

 

Same tire came on our 16 t4r originally. I never liked them but they were ok for the first 20k or so. They went down hill after that, I held out until 47k to replace them. Immediately afterwards I wished I had done that long ago. It’s a crappy basic tire.

 

This is who I was thinking of, dammit! Thanks @PenderBen, I'd been exercising too many brain cells trying to remember who had those snowflakes w/slightly oversized tires. But I distinctly remembered seeing someone with the exact setup I was talking about.

 

as shifty stated, 265/70/17's will work without rubbing. My friend with a 2006 DC 2WD replaced his 265/65's with 265/70s all terrain. He's been running those for a few years and has not had any rubbing or scrubbing or clearance issues

I was looking at his tires and the clearance with his UCA's closely when I was shopping for wheels and tires.

He has enough clearance with his UCA's to not cause issues. I believe the 70 series tires did push it a little closer to the UCA's vs the 65's, but again he had sufficient clearance

275's on the same wheel would push it 2/10" closer to the UCA, at least in theory. That might work based on what I observed with his 265/70's, but 285s would be 4/10" closer than his and I can understand why that's causing problems.

His are the factory +18 mm offset just for reference

 

Thank you all for the help. I’m going to go to smaller tires. I don’t want to use wheel spacers. For those curious, here is a zoomed out photo of what this tire/wheel combo, would look like on a 06 double cab