60K service questions

Gents, called three dealers for a price and list of service items for 60k mile service 2019 4x4.

My local dealer quoted $1300 hence why I called around. All three have different items to service and it does not seem standardized. I have a warranty through toyota until 100k so want to go by the book. Smaller town dealer quoted $350 and said fluids are not necessary.

I normally work on my own vehicle and having a hard time justifying diff, transferase, break, power steering fluid swap every 30k.

Any thoughts? I'm I being taken or is this legitimate intervals -

 

I don't know what the book says, but I know the Car Care Nut (If you don't know who he is - he is a Toyota Master Mechanic who makes terrific YouTube videos), recommends diffs, transmission, and transfer case all be done every 30k, especially if you tow or use 4Lo frequently.

I think those hundreds spent now on preventative maintenance could save thousands down the road. But if you trade up for a new truck every 5 years, then you can probably just do oil changes and be just fine.

 

FWIW, I just bought a 2018 Crewmax 4x4 that had all the recommended services done at one Toyota dealer it's whole life (has 67k miles now), and I'm still going to refresh every fluid in the truck for my own (OCD) peace of mind. Just waiting on the transfer case fluid to arrive today then I can knock them all out.

 

Due to the fact there appears to little consistency between dealers, I go back to basics. Brake fluid is hydroscopic meaning it retains water, I live in a hot humid area, so I definately change that. Trans fluid I thought was lifetime on most Tundras. Power steering on the Toyotas looks and feels like brake fluid so it may be hydroscopic as well, and should probably be changed every 60K or so, I say this cause I just did a power steering job on a Honda this past weekend and used "global power steering fluid" approved for most imports including, Yotas and my skin broke out like it does with Dot 3 brake fluid. I'm on the fence about diffs, if the gears are fit well I don't see how the fluid is breaking down unless its due to heat, which is either a gear fit issue or a fluid issue. Generally particulate matter from gear teeth is the concern with diff fluid. Maybe a better fluid is in order. Regarding the transfer case the dealer said it was not needed unless I drive in 4WD a lot. I said my truck in in 4WD about 5-10% of the time maybe less, so not needed. But if I have to buy a used Tundra I am changing all fluids/filters first.

 

The power steering fluid in our trucks is ATF, not actual power steering fluid.

The ATF in the transmission is advertised as a lifetime fluid, but the fine print in the owners manual recommends it be changed every 50k (or maybe 60k, can't recall which). Considering how costly a transmission is, I'd rather err on the side of caution and replace it. Especially if you're someone who tows often and even more importantly if your truck is 2019+ and lacks a standalone transmission cooler (heat degrades ATF). My best friend has an '08 Tundra that he tows with often, with 185k on the odo, and he's never changed the trans fluid. He's also a compulsive gambler, so he lives to take chances, I do not.

With the diffs you're probably right, but I'm overly cautious and would rather waste $50 on gear oil every 30k then risk needing a $1000 diff down the road.

And the transfer case is basically the same story as the diffs... better safe than sorry.

 

Holy crap, that's a lot of oils. For the WS oil, I would pick up another 2qt. It's about 4qt drain and fill. PS it fine with that much. Rear diff is under 3qts and and brake flush can be done with 1 bottle with some to spare. These are the fluids I have changed so far. Haven't done the Radiator flush yet and no front diff, but I here that those diffs are picky with the oil used.

 

Just added some more too haha (Redline MT-LV) for the transfer case.

I have 6 quarts of the WS. You think I need 8 just in case?

 

For one drain and fill? 5 is enough - you’ll probably only need 4.

 

That's what I figured. If the fluid looks real bad I'll probably do a 2nd drain and flush soon thereafter (but I'm hoping the dealer 60k service the truck got included a flush). I think @pursuit2550 only saw 3 in the photo or something.

 

I see the 6 bottles. What I mean is that since a drain and fill is roughly 4qt you could do 2 of them and you are pretty much changing like 75% of the fluid with 8qt. If your going to do it the temp check way the buy an extra one but it should be 4qt what comes out. And yes, it will come out dark. I did kinda did it at 15k when I installed my cooler and it was darker than the bright red it looks like new.

 

Gotcha. How much time would make sense to allot between the drain and fills to allow the newly added fluid to mix in thoroughly before draining another ~4qt.?

 

You can drain it and measure what comes out. Should be around 4qt. The norm is that and nothing will happen if it's a bit over. If only 3.75 came out and you fill it to 4. The way I did it was did the drain and fill. Started the truck up and shifted though all the gears while in the drive way. Don't do it for too long, as you don't what the fluid to get hot and expand. That should enough for the fluid to mix. And if you really want to be anal about it, repeat the 8qt in about a day or 2.

 

Torque converter does it in minutes.

 

There is 2014 Tundra with 900,000 miles had transmission service at 780,000 miles. I usually did transmission oil change every 100,000 miles but probably I will not do transmission oil change for my 2020 Tundra.

 

900,000 highway miles. Means, about zero gear shifts per mile. Scale mileage down to your driving conditions.