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Discussion in 'Suspension' started by 2010bigdog, Jan 18, 2019.

  1. Jan 18, 2019 at 1:24 PM
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    anyone with a 3/1 leveling kit with stock UCA’s can you post your alignment specs please so I can compare

    Thanks !
     
  2. Jan 18, 2019 at 1:48 PM
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    3/1

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  3. Jan 18, 2019 at 5:54 PM
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    Thanks. I will compare with mine when I get home.
    Anyone else ?
     
  4. Jan 18, 2019 at 7:13 PM
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    Here is mine that I just got done. Numbers look very similar, but I still have a slight pull (fade) to the right when I release the steering wheel.

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  5. Jan 18, 2019 at 7:34 PM
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    Not sure where that was done but toe is out of spec. Spec for toe .24 total, that's at .28 total. Don't shoot the messenger, just trying to help.
    Same here, toe is way too high. And, if you have roughly .5 MORE caster right than left it should track better. Right now yours is reversed with more caster left.
     
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    How bad is .04 over? I don’t know much about alignment specs.
    The truck drives straight and doesn’t seem to have any issues. I’ve driven about 500 miles since then and haven’t noticed any signs of a bad wear pattern.
     
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  7. Jan 18, 2019 at 7:48 PM
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    Just read the soCal57 alignment thread on TundaTalk, so I now understand the caster is most likely causing the fade to the right... not quite sure on the toe.
     
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  8. Jan 18, 2019 at 7:58 PM
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    .04 is splitting hairs. However, I prefer my toe at .06 per side, .12 total so from there it's .16 over and that's significant. It kinda depends on what tires you're running. It's a lot more important to reduce the toe if you're running a 35" mud tire than if you're running a 275 65 18.
    With the bigger off road tires camber is also super important and I like to be as close to 0* as possible.
    As for caster, as much as you can get w/o affecting the the camber.
    If it's working for you as is then just run it and keep an eye out for wear. What really bothered me is the toe out of spec and being in green. It should be in red and I felt like someone (alignment shop) was being dishonest and cheating you. Not saying that's the case, just what I felt.
     
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  9. Jan 18, 2019 at 8:02 PM
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    Your toe is fairly = so I don't think it's causing a pull but at .33 total it's significantly out of spec. I think your caster is the issue.
     
  10. Jan 18, 2019 at 8:05 PM
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    Listen to Warren. You need to split the caster when lifted w bigger tires. I had a pull to the right before the caster split and now it’s all gone. 3/1.5 lift with stock UCA still.

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  11. Jan 18, 2019 at 8:32 PM
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    Thanks... I had the alignment done at a firestone, so not sure how much they are willing to move things around. I am need to find an independent shop that is willing to work with me on the numbers. I am running 305/55/20 Cooper Maxx. I just replaced BFG KO2 in the same size, that I got 85K out of and really did not notice any significant wear.

    Thanks for your review and advise.
     
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  12. Jan 20, 2019 at 6:16 AM
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    so I just got a day to read feedback since ive been working with this snow that we got here in Chicago but anyways it looks like all the specs on the CAMBER is it the "negative" after the alignments. Is that correct? Mine are still just in the positive. The right side +1/2" and the left side +1/8" so there is room to get them straightened out it looks like. Am I looking at this right?
     
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  13. Jan 20, 2019 at 6:38 AM
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    No, all the above are 0 deg, or positive. The only acceptable one is @BlueBottle , and imo it should have less toe. You need to ignore other people’s numbers, every truck is different in regards to alignment. If you can, take pictures of the 4 alignment cams on your lower control arms, then I could tell if you still have room to adjust.
     
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    Just so you know, when @Vizsla talks about alignment I pay close attention.
     
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    What total toe do you recommend? I’m going redo my alignment w more caster. I have a pair of TC UCA waiting to be installed.
     
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    how much did you pay for your TC UCA's ?
     
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    my problem is I guess I have too much POSITIVE CAMBER
     
  18. Jan 20, 2019 at 10:10 AM
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    For now I like .06 per side for total of .12 like @831Tun suggested. I am changing my spindles and going to try running toe lower, still get the tiniest bit of outside tire wear at -.1 camber.
     
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    Duly noted...;)
     
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    Ok so tomorrow I’m hoping they fit me in with a alignment but wondering if you can give me some numbers I need ? I have a 3/1 leveling kit with stock UCA’s and my front tires are toed in and have been told because it’s to much positive camber. I will post alignment and hopefully you can tell me what is bad
    Thanks !image.jpg
     
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    If that’s your alignment sheet, and you tires are toed in from too much camber....run and find another shop. You can’t have too much camber when the sheet says you have negative camber. And caster is horrible. Should be closer to 2.5-3.0
     
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    yeah this issue isn't really making sense to me but something isn't right
     
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    If it’s cambered in, but the sheet says negative, then either the tech isn’t trained properly or the equipment isn’t calibrated properly. -.1 or .1 wouldn’t even be noticeable to the naked eye.
     
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    Figured I'd revive this thread rather than starting a new one...

    Just had the truck leveled and these are the specs after alignment.
    Based on everything I've read it looks like everything is pretty good except the camber may be a touch high.
    I am running -25 offset wheels with 275/70/18 tires fwiw.

    The truck tracks straight, no pulls or vagueness or anything weird... actually feels pretty good, but that doesn't always equal even tire wear. I'll be watching for outside tire wear but wanted to see if I need to get anything adjusted now or wait and see how it goes.
    Can anyone in the know check these numbers and let me know yeah or ney?

    Sorry for the crappy pic of a pic of the machine readout:
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    Castor seems to "sag" a little over time so being a little positive isn't too big a deal. Yours is not ideal but certainly not terrible. Toe is just a tad high but perfectly acceptable. The caster is the issue. If it's not pulling, leave it but it should be higher on the right and lower on the left, generally about .5 higher on the right to account for road crown.
     
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    OK, thanks for the info. I assume you meant camber seems to sag over time?
    I'll drive it for a few hundred miles and have them put it back on the rack to check the camber and try to get it a little closer if needed.
    For the caster, there's no pull one way or the other, and I'm generally good with not accounting for road crown. After driving Mercedes for years, they have an inherent pull to the right, presumably to steer away from oncoming traffic in case of a sleeping driver. I always had that dialed out because I hated fighting the steering wheel when I'm just trying to cruise.
     
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    Yeah, sorry. I meant camber not caster can sag a little over time.
     
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    Can you guys please tell me if these after alignment specs are OK. I heard the thrust angle should be 0 or close to it and all my rear specs are gray. Is this an acceptable after alignment report? Please forgive my ignorance in advance. The truck is a crew cab with a 5 and a 1/2 foot bed with 20" Nitto Terra Grappler G2s that were put on by Toyota. Thanks!

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    4* left caster, 4.5* right caster, .07 toe ea. side, 0* camber. Toe shouldn't exceed .14/ and not exceed .28 total.
    Most important IMO, get as much caster as you can (w/o sacrificing camber) and have .5* more caster right side.
     
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