Borla touring dual exhaust or TRD dual exhaust?

I am considering an exhaust upgrade between these two exhaust systems (Borla or TRD). From what I researched, it appears that there are some complaints about the TRD exhaust losing some low end torque, due to lack of an x-pipe for scavenging of the exhaust. In addition to premature rust. In contrast, I reviewed the Borla touring exhaust and it appears to have better quality (304 stainless steel) material and also comes with an internal H-pipe. Based on this wouldn’t the Borla be better with retaining the torque with the H-pipe integrated in the system? I like that the Borla is supposed to have no drone and supposed to have a nice “subtle” rumble and screams when you accelerate. Just what I want but can’t decide here. If anyone has experience with either, please chime in. Thanks.

 

skip both and look into @dirtydeeds systems- they actually have performance improvement and there are options for quiet to loud, whatever you like.

 

I have looked into all 3 Borla, TRD and DD. As of right now I am leaning towards Borla. I have prices them out and Borla is the cheapest. I have listened to sound clips and Borla and the DD 12 are about the same, maybe even the DD 10. TRD is louder and I have also read about drone. I am looking for a little rubble above OEM and least amount of drone. I am also looking at price. The Borla can be had for around $1000-1100. That is for a complete system. From the cat all the way to the tailpipe with nice tips and dual and 304 to top it off, not 409 SS. DD is $1600. From the cat to the OEM tailpipe. Want a tip, it’s another $200. I should of bought back when they were around $900 but know it has me thinking. $500-600 more is a lot for an exhaust. Almost picked up a used one for $550. Waiting on 4th of July sales to see what discounts can be had on both systems but I am sure the DD won’t come close.

 

I was initially leaning towards DD, but the price has now jumped significantly to around 1380 and with shipping to over 1400 for me. This has changed my mind unfortunately with the drastic increase for a single out system. In contrast, The Borla system retails at around 1460 with free shipping on different sites. Leaning toward it or the TRD which can be bought at the local dealer for around 1380.

 

The Borla 140332 is $1029 from Amazon right now. The DD is currently $1449 plus $150 shipping for me.

 

Yeah pursuit 2550. I think I am
Leaning toward the Borla. I saw a clip on YouTube and it looks like what I am looking for. It’s comparable to the TRD exhaust and has the “H-pipe” which I hope would address the shortcoming of the loss of torque. Again, I am just not experienced in what is better. But right with you in price for sure.

 

My apologies to OP for length of post, but I want to give you as much feedback as possible

I've run the TRD exhaust twice on the same truck. My only experience with Borla was on a Silverado - but that's apples to oranges so I won't give feedback on that since it's not a Tundra.

My 2018 came with the TRD. I loved the sound under throttle, but hated the thumping helicopter resonance. It did mellow out over a few thousand miles, but was still annoying to me. At around 6K miles I added an H pipe and tailpipe resonators, which made it sound stock and at 11K miles I took it off and sold it to another member on this forum.

Fast forward a couple years and 20K miles later, a forum member was selling a lightly used TRD muffler section for a terrific price. A bought it and got new tailpipes at a 15% discount - so I was into a complete TRD exhaust for under $700. The surface rust thing is true, so I spent a little extra money and time on the POR-15 3 step process - degreaser, prep and hi temp paint. It has held up very well over a PA winter - so it was worth it to me. But that would be something to consider before buying.

For reasons I can't explain, the TRD exhaust on a Tundra with 30K miles is night and day better compared to new. Everything about it is more tempered. It still has the low pitched dual exhaust burble, but it's not as in your face as I remember. That horrible thumping helicopter resonance is a very tempered - sometimes barely audible - chugga chugga rumble. Could be the mechanical break-in of the engine or maybe the computers learning my driving style. I don't know.

As far as the low end torque issue - I think it's over-stated a bit on the forums as far as the TRD goes. The dual exhaust doesn't maintain speed between 50 to 60 mph in 6th gear as easy as a single, but it's not horrible. Barely noticeable on flat surfaces, inclines may require a downshift - but it's not excessive and it doesn't gear hunt. Above 60 mph is a non-issue.

Happy to answer any questions I didn't address. Good luck with decision.

 

^ Yes, this.
With Keith's Helmotz rez it just about eliminates drone.
Plus, if you find it too loud or not loud enough, he will swap it as long as you pay to ship both ways.
He swapped my 8 for 10.
I'm now thinking about a 12.

One reason DD prices are higher is he only makes SS now, no more aluminum.
Like everything else, his supplies cost him more.

If you get the TRD or Borla and don't like it, you're stuck with it.
I guess you could always sell it at a loss.

@Rw429 I'd research the TRD system helicopter drone issues before going that route.

Good luck..

 

Keith is always running sales, they keep their Instagram up to date with them. Just wanted to share to help your decision-making process. I have the 12" on mine, I love it.

edit: I also regularly tow 8,000 lbs and it's not obnoxious on the highway while towing, nor have I noticed any loss in torque. The resonator is truly amazing how well it reduces drone. Unloaded, on the highway, I would say there's less drone than the factory exhaust.

 

DD is great from the stuff I have read on hear but is it worth the extra $5-600? The exchange thing is nice but also comes at a cost. Not saying he should pay but if you don’t like the sound that’s another $300, for me at least, to swap for another exhaust that might or might not sound good or what I am after. Like I said, I should of jump on his exhaust when it was in the $900 range.

 

Thanks for the pic. I don’t have IG. Have to see what the discount is now.

 

Current Sales (dirtydeedsindustries.com)

25% knocks a pretty big chunk off..



@dirtydeeds

 

Why are thinking of going to the 12? That’s the one I was considering.

 

Shipping to Dallas.

 

I don't tow anything.
If you tow you'd want a minimum 10 more likely a 12.

I had an 8, it was a tad raspy, had it a couple of years.
Swapped to a 10, had it for years, but it's still a little loud as I get older.
Not too loud, but I wouldn't mind it a little quieter.
10 is fine when it's me by myself, but a 12 would be nicer when the wife is with me.
If we go ANYWHERE, we take my truck, I don't like driving her Caddy.
Nor do I like being driven around..

I had no intention of swapping it until my cats got stolen.
They cut my BAM when they cut my pipes.



I don't want any of the yahoo shops around here to fix it.
They would all want to weld it in, but I want to keep the bolt-on and off feature for when I sell or trade the truck.
The stock muffler is in the attic.

Keith said he would fix it for free if I paid to ship both ways.
But he also told me for an additional fee, he would make me a 12.
My 10 is aluminum, the new one would be stainless, hence the increased cost
Since I have to pay for shipping, I might as well have him make me the SS 12.

I'm sorry for drifting the thread @Rw429
Keith is awesome, you can call him and he will discuss your wants and needs.
He is great to work with..

 

If you tow, get the 12. My 10 was too loud for towing, yeah it sounds great but i didnt want to hear it for 6 straight hours. 12 or 14 would have been purfect

 

If you go through Extreme Terrain’s website, I purchased the 10” cat back DD system for $999.00. Lol, it’s still there too for $50 handling fee and tax. I purchased right away when I saw DD website price go up. Just an FYI.

 

I always come back to the TRD, I think it’s just a perfect sound and volume. I had a TRD dual, and sold it to get a Carven. It got old over time. I then bought another used TRD cause I missed it. I’ve also had Corsa which is another high end drone free option. I really have just found the TRD to be the most enjoyable. I’ve never had any issues with drone with it. The Carven droned really bad though.

 

I have a 12” with resonator installed. Zero complaints from passengers. Including a recent 2200 miles road trip with wife and two children in the car.

Alone…. Crack the back window and lay into the pedal. It still screams.

 

greenxt10 get you an additional $10 off

 

Glad to hear I'm not the only repeat offender.

 

Where you located OP? Recently discovered my 35” spare won’t fit with my borla dual rear exhaust. Debating selling and getting something different so I can mount my spare.

 

Dirty Deeds all the way. Excellent product and excellent service.Keith is a small business owner and is customer oriented. He could probably make the sound of the system with his mouth just to show how in tune he is to Tundra owners!! I’m an idiot and I had no problem installing. Call him. Wait for a deal. Good luck.

 

That is good to know and convinces me to get a 12.
My 10 is just a touch louder than I would like coming home from work at midnight.
No one has ever complained, but I don't want to be THAT guy, believe it or not.

I love going under bridges and bumping it up.
I also love to remote start my truck and hear the BAM rumble up.

Although the last time I did it, on November 15th, was the night I discovered my cats were gone...

I think the 12 is what this old man needs...

 

Our system is $1236 shipped with our current 4th of July sale. The 10” system is more aggressive than either borla or Trd, when on the throttle. It’s WAY quieter than either of the above when on the highway or anytime you’re easy on the throttle. It has WAY more low end torque than any dual exhaust system. The tundra manifolds and vvti design makes a single exhaust with stock 2 3/4” diameter tailpipe the only choice if you care about performance.

409 is not lower quality than 304. 304 is not better quality than 409. They both do have what could be considered ‘pros’ and ‘cons’.

304:
pros, much much harder to get surface rust. Makes a pretty shine.
Cons, much harder to weld. Much more expensive to weld. Much more likely to crack. More expensive material.

409:
Pro. Easier to weld. You can weld with pretty much any welding procedure, and with any steel or stainless steel grade of filler material. Acts like steel as far as durability. Much more resistant to cracking than 304. Literally designed by metallurgists to be used specifically as exhaust tubing, not food service tubing. Bends easier. Less brittle. Stretches and expands on an end former better. Lasts in salty environments nearly as well as 304 does. Handles WAY more heat than 304.
Cons: gets surface rust quicker than 304. Literally one con. That’s it. Lol.

that said, we have experience with either material and generally use whatever we can get our hands on.

comparing my company over any other company making exhaust for a tundra, ask yourself this: would I rather give my money to a faceless corporation for a product sitting in a box on a shelf designed by their ‘engineer’ to fit in a particular size box have a specific sound level and have a specific look?

or would you rather buy an exhaust designed with the help of a thermal dynamics engineer from Lockheed Martin. In the garage of a tundra enthusiast. Which is hand built specifically for you?

I have tested more exhaust prototypes on tundras than literally all of the other manufacturers combined. Even if you paid full price for our system, which you won’t because our current sale gives you a huge discount, you’d still be getting a better exhaust system for YOU, and your family, and your truck, than you will from any other manufacturer.

Keith Carty DirtyDeedsIndustries.com

760-877-4234

 

We offer a straight across trade for your old system. No money out of pocket except for shipping. Call to take advantage of our free, lifetime sound warranty. 760-877-4234

 

Our 8” or 10” is simpler. Better low end torque. Totally customizable sound. More aggressive on the throttle. Quieter on the highway. Fits your spare. Comparable in price when on sale, which is right now. It’s better way to do exhaust on a tundra. 760-877-4234

 

$150 shipping each way for a 6’ package is very inexpensive, but it’s downright cheap compared to buying a whole new exhaust.

That said, we have invoiced over 15,000 hand written exhaust orders. I’m really good at figuring out which system we should make for a guy and his use of his truck. An exchange is extremely unlikely to be needed. But it’s nice to know the option is there if needed.

 

This is not true. Our system is $1236 shipped with our current sale. And believe me when I say this, all of the other manufacturers systems are about to jump dramatically in price. We are hit way sooner with this unrealistic metal price increase because we only keep a few thousand feet of material on the ground at any given time. The big boys keep millions of feet on the ground. They will soon feel these effects as their material stock is swapped out to the new world great reset pricing.

 

There is no ‘perfect’ size when installing dual exhaust on a 5.7 tundra running stock exhaust manifolds. The pipes are either too big or too small. 2” is too small. It loses horsepower. And torque. I’m not putting down a competitor. Stating laws of thermal dynamics. And first hand testing. If a dual exhaust was right for a guy asking me for advice, it’s what I would sell them. We have a dual exhaust for a tundra which is superior to any other dual exhaust. But a properly built single exhaust will do better in every way you can imagine compared to the best dual exhaust.