1. Welcome to Tundras.com!

    You are currently viewing as a guest! To get full-access, you need to register for a FREE account.

    As a registered member, you’ll be able to:
    • Participate in all Tundra discussion topics
    • Transfer over your build thread from a different forum to this one
    • Communicate privately with other Tundra owners from around the world
    • Post your own photos in our Members Gallery
    • Access all special features of the site

Death of a 4.7l engine

Discussion in '1st Gen Tundras (2000-2006)' started by Tim Berframe, Aug 14, 2023.

  1. Aug 14, 2023 at 7:50 PM
    #1
    Tim Berframe

    Tim Berframe [OP] New Member

    Joined:
    Aug 13, 2023
    Member:
    #102015
    Messages:
    15
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Tim
    Alberta
    Vehicle:
    2006 Tundra Double Cab SR5 4x4
    Long story..

    Bought 2006 DC 4.7l SR5 last Nov with 195,000km(122,000 miles). Have had a 2006 Tacoma Double cab 4l for 9 years but want to be able to tow more weight occasionally. Plan was to refurbish the truck to have a reliable 2nd vehicle for my hobbies mostly. I bought it from a young mechanic just finished school. It was in his family since new and he said he blew a head gasket towing too much trailer up a steep hill. Thinking the mechanic would have done a proper repair, I didn't think Id have to touch the engine. I just finished removing a terrible lift kit job and put it back stock: 4 ball joints, 2 tie rod ends, new front cv axle, new front cv boots, new brakes all around including rear pistons (fronts were seized and rears were way out of adjustment resulting in terrible lack of stopping power), several new brake lines, shocks on all corners, front wheel bearing and seal, front backing plate, rear axle bearing and both axle seals, freed up the parking brake, new windshield, repaired sticky climate control mechanism, removed faulty cheap led headlights, removed window tint, fixed brake controller. Started at the bottom; should have started at the top lol

    The seller said there was a tick after the repair. It was faint and with a stethoscope I thought it was possibly fuel injector at back of bank 2. My buddy thought mechanical at back of bank 1. It was possibly intermittent? After 4000km, I got a code that bank 1 was stuck on rich.


    First road trip, 2 weeks ago I drove about 1100miles towing 2000lbs. I took it easy and didnt let it go over 3000rpm. It was running smooth at about 2100rpm with cruise on holding 60mph. The vehicle just died with no warning. 100% electrically dead. No sound, no vibration; just quit. Fiddled with the positive cable and got power. Tried starting and it made bad noise like compression going out the intake so towed it home. Pulled timing cover expecting broken belt. Nope, intact and tensioned. Hit starter again and it locked up.

    Just got the heads off. Valves in #6 and the piston top are trashed. A valve seat rattled around inside #5. There's a chunk of possibly broken valve stem stuck in the head on #8 that hit the piston. The fuel injector on #6 was leaking on the outside. The intake manifold at #6 is 30% clogged with carbon buildup.

    I assume both heads are trashed. The cylinders are untouched. Anyone have any idea on the sequence of events? Even if a seat dropped or a valve head snapped, how does it get out of timing on the other cylinders? How did this much damage happen with no noise?

    head c5.jpg
    head c7.jpg
    head c6.jpg
    head c8.jpg
    block c6.jpg
    block c5.jpg
    block c7.jpg
    block c8.jpg
     
    vtl, Filthyphil and FrenchToasty like this.
  2. Aug 14, 2023 at 8:12 PM
    #2
    empty_lord

    empty_lord They see me rollin'

    Joined:
    Feb 1, 2019
    Member:
    #25441
    Messages:
    10,124
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Dan
    Indiana, Chicagoland
    Vehicle:
    05 rollover special
    custom body work, Billies with taco ARB springs, Icon AAL, TRD FJ trail team wheels, 2019 Toyota 86 radio, Blacked out interior, Added factory power everything, heater mirrors, ETC
    OUCH, that one hurt.. i've had a headgasket repair another shop did that also did valve stem seals drop a valve. only guess was they didnt fully seat a keeper.

    are the cylinder walls damaged?
     
    Filthyphil and FrenchToasty like this.
  3. Aug 15, 2023 at 6:10 AM
    #3
    shifty`

    shifty` I’ll teabag a piranha tank

    Joined:
    Jun 20, 2020
    Member:
    #48239
    Messages:
    28,214
    ATL
    Vehicle:
    '06 AC Limited V8/4WD
    (see signature for truck info)
    I'd be leaving the heads on that guy's doorstep with a note, "You may want to choose a different career, dickhead!"

    (I mean, it'd be cooler to leave the whole block with mangled piston heads installed, but ... since the heads are off already ...)
     
    Last edited: Aug 15, 2023
  4. Aug 15, 2023 at 6:42 AM
    #4
    KNABORES

    KNABORES Sarcasm incoming

    Joined:
    Jan 1, 2020
    Member:
    #40572
    Messages:
    13,677
    Gender:
    Male
    Arkansas
    Vehicle:
    2000 Limited TRD AC 4X4 Thunder Grey 278k miles. *SOLD* 2019 Limited TRD CM 4x4
    Bilstein 5100's on the forbidden notch Husky HD rear leafs 16x8 Eagle Alloy 187's with 285/75/16 MagnaFlow 3" flow through Pioneer touchscreen with backup camera Full interior and dash LED conversion Trailer brake controller with 7 pin Bedliner coat bumpers & trim ARE Mpulse topper - Rhino Vortex rack
    Was the timing belt recently replaced? Is it possible the belt broke on the previous owner and the repair he described was a cover up for that fact? He haphazardly did a valve job to attempt to repair the damage done by the snapped belt hoping it would hold long enough to sell to the next guy?
     
  5. Aug 15, 2023 at 6:55 AM
    #5
    Filthyphil

    Filthyphil Lions Not Sheep

    Joined:
    Oct 24, 2016
    Member:
    #4978
    Messages:
    723
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Phil
    Vehicle:
    2000 Toyota Tundra TRD 4.7
    I agree with Dan, valve keeper wasn't seated correctly, that's a real shame buddy.
     
  6. Aug 15, 2023 at 7:58 AM
    #6
    vtl

    vtl New Member

    Joined:
    Mar 23, 2020
    Member:
    #44238
    Messages:
    2,868
    Gender:
    Male
    Boston 'burbs
    Vehicle:
    2019 Red SR5 DC 4x4
    It looks like the head had valve seats and possibly guides replaced, due to snapped t-belt. It wasn't done properly or couldn't be done properly due to the damage it received during the belt accident. Anyways, I wouldn't have any trust in the block as well, not until fully disassembled, inspected and measured. At which point it is cheaper and quicker to replace the engine with a good used one.

    We all wish to that dickhead a personal liability case in his dickhead career, so the dickhead would learn that being a dickhead is not tolerated in our society the hard way.
     
    hagrid, shifty` and FirstGenVol like this.
  7. Aug 15, 2023 at 8:01 AM
    #7
    Tim Berframe

    Tim Berframe [OP] New Member

    Joined:
    Aug 13, 2023
    Member:
    #102015
    Messages:
    15
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Tim
    Alberta
    Vehicle:
    2006 Tundra Double Cab SR5 4x4
    Valve keepers are all in place. Stems are all in place. 2 valve heads inside chamber on 6. Pulled half a seat out of intake on 5. Cant find the other half yet. The cylinder walls seem untouched.
     
  8. Aug 15, 2023 at 8:06 AM
    #8
    vtl

    vtl New Member

    Joined:
    Mar 23, 2020
    Member:
    #44238
    Messages:
    2,868
    Gender:
    Male
    Boston 'burbs
    Vehicle:
    2019 Red SR5 DC 4x4
    It's in the cat. Probably can find it with inspection camera via front H2OS sensor hole.
     
  9. Aug 15, 2023 at 10:28 AM
    #9
    EmergencyMaximum

    EmergencyMaximum New Member

    Joined:
    May 28, 2022
    Member:
    #78904
    Messages:
    1,328
    Sorry to see it happen. Thank you for sharing photos, very educational(to me) both photos and replies. Sadly this happens in all trades and the culprit will likely enjoy years of carefree work. Good luck with sale.
     
  10. Aug 17, 2023 at 9:25 AM
    #10
    Tim Berframe

    Tim Berframe [OP] New Member

    Joined:
    Aug 13, 2023
    Member:
    #102015
    Messages:
    15
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Tim
    Alberta
    Vehicle:
    2006 Tundra Double Cab SR5 4x4
    Took heads and cams to machine shop. The owner is awesome and discussed everything with me. One head is repairable. I discovered that some cam caps had been installed in the wrong places and there is a tiny bit of odd wear on one set of cams. I'm looking for the right side head casting. $1650 from Toyota.

    I'm pulling the block today and I will do the teardown. If the measurements prove that there is very little wear on cylinders and a flat deck and good crank and good rods, I will have them do a hone, clean, and I will install new bearings, seals, pistons, rings. They will polish/grind the four cams and install 32 new valves and seals with fresh grind/lapping.

    Its $4000 for a used engine with 35000 more miles on it than this has. I'm going all in and have a known excellent engine and peace of mind for a few dollars more. After 6 months of driving, Ill be ahead money wise from the option of junking the truck and buying a newer one.
     
  11. Aug 17, 2023 at 9:33 AM
    #11
    shifty`

    shifty` I’ll teabag a piranha tank

    Joined:
    Jun 20, 2020
    Member:
    #48239
    Messages:
    28,214
    ATL
    Vehicle:
    '06 AC Limited V8/4WD
    (see signature for truck info)
    Awesome! Please keep us posted. This is hugely interesting to me and I know a couple of others on here.
     
    EmergencyMaximum and hagrid like this.

Products Discussed in

To Top