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Increased towing capacity possible?

Discussion in 'Towing & Hauling' started by ToyGal8520, Jul 21, 2023.

  1. Jul 21, 2023 at 4:03 PM
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    ToyGal8520

    ToyGal8520 [OP] New Member

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    The Tundra is a 2019 long bed. I want to tow a 14,000-pound rated flatbed trailer. I was unable to find the Trailer Weight Rating (TWR) anywhere on the truck, in the user manual, or using Toyota's detailed spec sheet for the VIN (5TFCY5F16KX02XXXX). I have written Toyota to request that information.

    From reading the Owner's Manual, it looks like the highest TWR for this year model in any trim form is 10,100 pounds. I do not know if adding aftermarket suspension parts, like air springs, can legally increase the TWR. I do want to be legal and safe.

    Any information or advice you are willing to offer will be appreciated.

    Thanks
     
  2. Jul 21, 2023 at 4:19 PM
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    Retroboy1989

    Retroboy1989 'Course it's 4x4!

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    You cannot add load carrying capacity in the eyes of the DOT. All modifications do is improve how the truck handles the loads for which it was rated. I have sumo springs to reduce sag, but they do not increase my ~1,300 payload. The same goes for towing.

    If you really need to pull a 14,000# trailer, you need something more capable than any 1/2 ton on the market.

    13% of 14,000# is 1,800#. No half ton is going to handle that payload. Thus the term "half ton"
     
  3. Jul 21, 2023 at 4:24 PM
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    ToyGal8520

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    Thanks Retroboy,

    That's what I was coming to believe too. I am not knowledgable about trailer towing and thought there might be a way to make the existing truck work. Maybe someone has mods that will work.
     
  4. Jul 21, 2023 at 4:27 PM
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    Wallygator

    Wallygator Well Zippedy Da Do!

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    Yes it's totally possible! Go down to either a Ford, Ram, or Chevy dealership and trade the Tundra in on one-ton (or greater) truck built for towing that amount of weight. :thumbsup:
     
  5. Jul 21, 2023 at 4:49 PM
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    BravoDeltaRomeo

    BravoDeltaRomeo Old Man Little Blue Finger

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    It's not possible.

    You can do it but it will be a strain on your vehicle and not safe for you or anyone else on the road. Despite what people who come and and state the forum tow police should be ignored.

    Don't do it. Buy a bigger truck or smaller trailer.
     
  6. Jul 21, 2023 at 5:16 PM
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    knoxville36

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    So just out of curiosity...... What do you plan on hauling on the trailer? Yes it is rated for 14k pounds but maybe you are only pulling a 1,200 lb. zero turn on it.....
     
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  7. Jul 21, 2023 at 8:42 PM
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    2mchfun

    2mchfun Cool story, but did your new TTV6 tow a shuttle?

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    Think space shuttle!
     
  8. Jul 21, 2023 at 9:04 PM
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    2mchfun

    2mchfun Cool story, but did your new TTV6 tow a shuttle?

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    Yeah for a stock truck I'd think 6-7k would be about the max. for the best results. However, size is also a big factor once the wind blows. As for the shuttle, only a joke! That said, her post only says trailer, don't see anything about it being loaded.
     
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    You quite don't understand do you? Truck is too small...get a bigger truck...That is the only way to do it safely....But I'm sure Billy Bob has a way, go talk to him....
     
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  10. Jul 21, 2023 at 10:24 PM
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    Well, folks, I appreciate some of the responses.
    I don't like the sarcasm and do not know what I wrote to prompt it.
    I wrote that I do want to be legal and safe.
    My intent was to normally move much lighter loads.
    I have a TLB that weighs over 10,000 pounds that I may need to move.
    A smaller, earlier Tundra hauled a 10,000-pound enclosed trailer many miles with ease and stability.

    I will get a lower-capacity flatbed and have someone else move the TLB if that becomes necessary.

    Thanks to those who had useful feedback.
     
  11. Jul 21, 2023 at 11:20 PM
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    The two heaviest loads I haul regularly are my travel trailer (a fuzz over 7,000# loaded) and my 20’ flatbed with my tractor and a couple extra implements (about 7,600# total).

    My truck is pretty heavy due to accessories, so I am technically over weight with either trailer. That said, it goes both of them wonderfully. I have had zero issues or close calls with my current setup.

    I do agree with your last post though. If your TLB is 10k by itself, you’re likely in the 13-14k range with the trailer. Too much!
     
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  12. Jul 22, 2023 at 2:14 AM
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    The one perceived sarcastic post had nothing to do with you personally and has been a long running joke. Toyota has a commercial showing "towing" capabilities by pulling a space shuttle across a bridge. Had you been a member for a while and researched the towing sections you would have been laughing.

    The TLB (tractor/loader/backhoe) is pretty heavy and a bit much for most trucks and in my humble opinion way too much for anything under a one ton truck.

    IMG_1822.jpg IMG_1821.jpg

    This load pretty much maxed my truck out (GMC 3500 HD, 25300 lb Combined GVWR) and my 16k rated trailer.
    7700 lbs truck (11,500 GVWR)
    10000 lbs for TLB and implements
    Trailer 4600 lbs (16k GTWR)

    10000+4600=14600 lbs trailer weight.
    7700+14600=22300 lbs

    Now doing the math a little more realistic changes things a bit. Now I know a certain percentage of the weight transfers to the truck. On this particular trailer...22.5% of the trailer weight is transferred to the truck (pin) weight. So for math sakes 14600x.225=3280 lbs. stick two males in the front seat and we are getting close to my trucks legal limit of 3808 lbs pin weight capacity.

    Truck GVW is ~10,985 lbs.

    Now technically, the trailer isn't carrying 14600 lbs anymore. So 14600-3280=11320 lbs. Does this mean I can load up 4680 lbs more? Yes and no. Yes if I had a dually. No because math.

    Let's add 1200 to the math above.

    11320+1200=12520 lbs.

    Now my Combined was 22,300+1200=23,500 lbs. good there.

    14600+1200=15800 lbs.

    15,800x.225=3555 lbs pin weight. Still under 3808 max payload...but we now need to load up two men. This would put the truck payload over. In turn, this can also go over tire load rating as well.

    Can I load more? Yes, not 1200 lbs more.
     
  13. Jul 22, 2023 at 4:41 AM
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    KNABORES Sarcasm incoming

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    These two statements don’t go together. The smaller earlier Tundras had a max rating around 7100#. 10k would have been way too much and those early Tundras were not the best tow pigs. You’re trying to use the wrong tool for the job and justify it with bad info or experience. Be safe, get the right tool.
     
  14. Jul 22, 2023 at 4:49 AM
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    2mchfun Cool story, but did your new TTV6 tow a shuttle?

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    My apologies for the spare shuttle comment! Many here, myself included just like to clown around sometimes. I did state in a later more serious post that it was only a joke.
    As for your equipment trailer and TLB combined, if you need to move it frequently and it's what you are describing, look at something in the HD lineup such as a 2 ton. They will have the right axles, brakes, gears, cooling system, etc. for the intended purpose. You would also need to check out the laws in your area and see if you are in need of a CDL too.
    As for any year of a Tundra regardless of suspension and brake modifications, even just a skid steer and equipment trailer with the proper brakes would be way too much.
    Good luck with your search for the right truck!
     
  15. Jul 22, 2023 at 8:14 AM
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