So just got told I was making a mistake by a Ram fanboy

So talking with a friend who is an admitted Ram/Didge fanboy (as are about 60% of the folks down here I’d say - dunno….most be a lot of folks hanging onto that Petty racing legacy in this part of NC) and was told I went with the wrong choice for 2 reasons.

It’s too aimed at old farts trying to look young and it’s too out of date technology wise.

My response is simply this: The first point - old guy tryin to look young. Seriously - have you looked at Rams lineup lately - I get it more on the Tacoma side of things - but even there they ARE serious off-road machines…Toyota can’t help who buys them.

The LAST thing I expect to see jumping out of most Tundras is a driver under 40 honestly. It’s firmly targeted to a middle/slightly older age group to me. Guys who recall the bullet proof Tundras of the 80s/early 90s…not someone who was born a decade after those.

Not saying there are no owners under 40 - just saying if you look at the demographics - I guarantee you Ram has a higher percentage of under 30 owners….Rebel/TRX are aimed squarely at these buyers.

The second point is even more laughable to me. Resurrection of the same dead horse. Funny coming from a guy whose favorite brand also owns Jeep. Ever take a look at a modern Wrangler ? Could build a time machine out of one - go to 1973 and buy replacement parts from the dealer. They are the definition of “outdated” - but they remain because people find them reliable. Affordable is another matter entirely of course - I love Jeeps, but would never buy one of those things new - you could have a nice 2500 Ram and money left over for a used car that gets better than 14 mpg.

Yea, the Ram interior has Toyota beat and the ride is nicer on non Pro’s stock. That said - I buy a truck to do TRUCK things. If I wanted seating for 6, a comfortable seat and fancy tech - I’d probably be better served in an SUV (something Dodge/Jeep is hit or miss on) - a truck is for towing things over a SUV and for hauling. In that regard Toyota is near equal - air suspension helps on the Rams with it - but those systems aren’t problem free either.

 

Howdy. I tried following your points... you agree with your friend about Tundras being for old guys... and Tundra interiors and tech are no match... but Tundras are great trucks for hauling...?

Sadly, Ram typically has better hauling creds than Tundra.

Tundra kills Ram in reliability though. Really, that’s about our best argument. And for many of us here, the only one that matters.

 

No - he said Tundras are aimed at young drivers and old guys trying to imitate them. To me the complete opposite.

As to Ram severely beating Tundra in towing/hauling - severely to me suggest greater than a 10% difference. I don’t see it myself on the stock models. A few hundred pounds does not equate a beat down - it’s more a war of who looks better on paper.

 

I think all trucks (or cars) currently are out of date technology. Has been the same formula for almost a century.

I am still waiting for the hovering cars and trucks from Back to the Future.

 

Who gives a shit what your buddies opinions are? I don’t and you shouldn’t either.
If you thought the Tundra was the vehicle that suits your needs then you made the best choice.

 

I’ll gladly be that old fart, at the ripe old age of 40, that drives a Tundra.

Tell your friend your more intelligent than a Ram owner because you value reliability over tech and image. Life is too short not to be more spending time with the family or hobbies you love...as opposed to dropping off your “younger looking and tech savvy” truck at the dealership for more repairs...

 

Ask a Ram owner why the manufacturer changed the name from Dodge ram to ram? Enough said.

 

Reliability is where it's at dot period

SPP

 

I was 45 when I bought my tundra and hope to be 55 before I “need” a new one…..I don’t care about any of the “lacking” options on the tundra.

 

"Guys who recall the bullet proof Tundras of the 80s/early 90s…not someone who was born a decade after those."


Tundra production started in 2000. I suppose youre referring to the T100, which started in the 90s as a 93 model year, but was primarily a mid to late 90s truck.

 

From what I see, 80% of new full-size pickups regardless of brand are owned by fat, old Harley dudes driving the speed limit in the left lane. Prius drivers used to be the worst but when I see late-model full-size truck I figure there's a fat, dumb and happy knucklehead driving the last car he'll ever own and he doesn't give a f&@k about how badly he drives. NTTAWWT.

 

Im in my 30s and on my second Tundra.Never considered a Ram. Traded a Raptor for this Tundra. I have no regrets. I don't care how good the interior of a Ram is reliability over everything.

 

In 5 years your truck will still be running and performing as new. His Ram will probably be riding with a new transmission and if he has the big screen HU, a warranty replacement HU, not to mention rust in the rear wheel arches.

 

Thats funny because the new Rams look like a poor copy of 3rd Gen Tundras

 

There is no doubt the domestic trucks get more frequent updates and have more creature comforts, but all of that is useless if it breaks down all the time

 

I don’t - nor do they likely care about mine.

Just the poorly thought out arguments they make - that make me laugh. That is all.

 

My son 25 was looking to buy truck , all he wanted was RAM rebel or Jeep Gladiator. I was hard pressing him not to buy them as they suck in reliability.
His answer was “ I am not going to be keeping forever”. He wanted big screen all the bells and whistles. I was like if you don’t want Toyota look at Chevy (trail boss ) or GMC AT4 but he wanted a big screen. OP is right

 

^ Bottom line for me..
I'm 58 and I've been driving nothing but Toyotas (1 4Runner and 2 Tundras) since 1996..

 

Agree 100%. Perhaps the reason why older folks are into Toyotas is the older you get, the more you realize how precious time is.

Tundra = I've got more money and time for fun upgrades and wheeling because I spend much less money and time fixing broken shit that shouldn't be broken in the first place.
I have friends with other brand trucks, and they are often spending time fixing things.

Also, resale value is nice.

 

I think he just meant toyota trucks in general. Not a whole lot of his points made sense though. The current wrangler couldn't share any parts with 1973. The one that could possibly they stopped making in 2006. The current wrangler has more parts interchangeability with the current caravan than anything else lol. I think also it depends on your location. Here in the rockies/utah you see tons of tundras and tacomas/toyotas because they're reliable and offroad capable. I wouldn't want to drive a ram down to staircase Escalante or canyonlands for a multi-day trip I can tell you that.

 

Also fwiw I bought my tundra when I was 35, because it felt like a mid 2000s truck. What I mean by that is it was powerful felt sturdy had a beefy suspension feel and felt like it would last. I felt that way about the mid 2000 fords that were workhorses. Today's modern trucks just feel like they're trying to attract too many non truck people and drive and feel alot more like cars. So I bought mine specifically because it didn't feel like the modern stuff

 

I don’t think chevys are reliable at all. My brother had the dealership buy back his 2019 Chevy Silverado with like 20k miles on it due to the transmission having issues and “repaired” 3 times before the dealership offered to buy it back cause they couldn’t figure out the issue that kept on happening with the transmission. It was in the shop for a month and they couldn’t fix the issue. He has a 2020 sequoia pro in lunar rock now and loves it. He is a huge Chevy fan too. He never thought about owning a Toyota, but after watching me take my tundra across the country twice and all over California and over 40 plus off-road trails(probably more) in the 5 years of owning it without any problems. He asked to drive my truck and was impressed on how it felt. Granted mine is far from stock. But after he drove my truck he decided to test drive a sequoia after I told him it was basically a tundra in SUV form. He test drove an Escalade cause he wanted an SUV and wanted all the bells and whistles and still went with the sequoia. He said he was scared of the transmission in the Escalade and didn’t want to go down that road again. The only work done on my tundra by the dealership was the cam tower leak which was free. Other than that it’s been pretty flawless thankfully.

 

I was 36 when I bought my my Tundra. I feel it was the age that I finally came to my senses.

 

I was 34 when I bought my 2015 pro. First Toyota truck I’ve owned. I only got it cause my first Toyota/Lexus vehicle I bought was my 2011 IS350 and has been amazing. No issues at all in 10 years. Then I bought a Lexus GX460 last year. I still own all 3 and don’t plan on selling any of them till the wheels fall off. Here’s a picture of all my babies together.

 

Tell your buddy that my 2019 with 40k miles is worth more than I paid for it new 2 years ago. That's why I drive a Tundra. Reliability and resale value. (I'm 37 if that matters)

 

Reliability and resale value Toyota takes it over all the trucks.

 

Old guys like me have learned (the hard way in my case) that reliability tops EVERYTHING ELSE. It costs time, money, and frustration to have things fixed, whether you have someone else do it or you do it yourself. I don't have that much time and money to waste. The Tundra is just fine with it's level of technology. And while it doesn't quite match the CLAIMED payload/towing capacities of other 1/2T trucks, it is build more solidly and will earn the trust of anyone who does an honest evaluation of it.