Timing belt quote

Getting quotes from 2 different dealers in my area.

First dealer I got 2 different quotes for some reason? First one was this :

Water pump and timing belt replacement – belt $111.02 – water pump $364.80 labor for both $780.00 plus coolant and taxes

Second quote I was just told timing belt and water pump : 1800$

Second dealer quoted me 1100$ labour , and the following pic is the parts. Any idea why they would have thrown in those two idler sub? Are those necessary for the job? Sounds like the first quote he didn't add those, and the second I'm guessing they were added ? Didn't get a parts list

Keep in mind all these prices are CAD . What are y'all thoughts on these quotes / parts ?

 

I paid $1,539.41 for an Aisin Timing Belt Kit with tensioner, coolant, Fel Pro valve cover gasket set, and oil pump adapter gasket replacement about a month ago. Local independent shop that works on foreign cars. Mostly Lexus, BMW, Volkswagen, Porsche.....

His Lexus/Toyota hourly rate is $110 an hour.

Labor 1,034.55
Parts 370.90
Misc 30.00 (Shop supplies, Disposal)
Tax 104.06
Total 1,539.51

 

The first dealer is offering you a super half-a$$ job, and putting all the risk on you for future problems. You definitely DO what the tensioner replaced, as well as the two idler pulleys listed in the second estimate. I would add that you also should replace the serpentine belt and tensioner, as well as the front crankshaft seal when the job is done. These are all wear items (especially the crank seal), that are easily replaced when the timing belt job is done, so why cut corners? It's false economy. These estimate show that you can't trust the standards or workmanship of these shops; I wouldn't give them my money. They are just contributing to the decline of your truck.

 

Fair enough, actually the first 2 quotes are from the same dealer. I'm guessing the first guy didn't know the extent of the job? Or he's cutting corners on purpose... no idea . So it sounds like the second quote is more realistic?

 

Thanks for this, all USD I imagine? Do you know if the valve cover gasket was a big extra? Or are we talking like an extra hour or two of labour?

 

What part of Canada? If you find a reputable shop between St. Catherines and Toronto, please let us know.

 

Victoria BC haha, as far west as it gets

 

Also the aftermarket on quote #3 are GATES parts, anyone heard of that?

 

Yeah, stick with the Toyota parts here. Avoid the Gates junk.

On domestics, the Gates stuff can be ok sometimes. On the Tundra, the water hoses don't fit well, the serpentine belts don't last, and the water pumps/tensioners/pulleys are all Chinese garbage.

The only acceptable non-Toyota parts for this job are those in the Aisin Timing Belt kit.

 

fair enough, but if the dealer puts it in and warranties it... who cares? depending how long they warranty it for

 

Go for it then. Maybe it will work out. Timing belt or timing tensioner fails on the 2UZ will leave you with a mess, and I bet the dealer will forget all about their warranty.

 

What dealers are these at? Mine’s getting close to replacement time too

 

The first quote sounds like what i got originally. I probably still have all my original pulleys and tensioners at 245k.

 

fair enough, Cant believe a pulley is 260$ CAD... thats alot. But definitely worth changing, im at 290k km now, probably all original

 

Just realized your gulf islands! I called victoria but they are back logged until end of Nov. First two quotes were victoria, last quote with PDF was duncan

 

Just comparing the aisin kit ( which everyone seems to recommend) and the gates one. In this pic, this is the gates kit, there are 6 bolts and washers that are not present in the aisin kit. What are these, and are they needed to be replaced? Also the aisin kit doesnt have the water pump gasket but thats easy to add on, I know what that one is.

 

I and several other members are running the Gates HD green serp belt and haven't had any issues whatsoever.

 

would you run their timing belt kit?

 

As a guy who maintains and repairs trucks that regularly exceed 1 million miles, nearly all towing, I can confidently agree that Gates (especially HD green) rubber is quality stuff. I wouldn’t use their water pump, or other cooling system parts though. (they bought out Stant a little while back…) I’m uncertain about their idlers / tensioners, but I’d go with Aisin for all that, just like Toyota did…

 

Pretty sure the Aisin TKT001 does come with the water pump gasket. The last one that I purchased had one, and the picture on Rockauto shows it as well. I would assume this is still the case?

 

Nope, I'm running their serp belt (green HD version), but I'd go Aisin for the belt kit.

Why? Mostly because it's not just belts, it's mechanical shit. Look, here's the general rule of thumb with Toyota parts: If it takes more than an 1-2 hours to service and/or requires removing anything with a gasket you shouldn't replace, you need to buy OEM parts. If it's electric, always buy OEM too. You don't want to risk buying something that didn't have OEM-level QC done on it, you want the manufacturer Toyota chose from the getgo so it's a one-and-done deal. Even if it costs more.

In this case, Aisin and Denso are OEM manufacturers on the vast majority of parts. Denso makes much of the electrical parts - fuel pump, starter, coil packs, plugs and so on. Aisin makes a lot of the mechanical parts - water pump, brake stuff and so on. Timing belt is one of those 5-6s of hour labor jobs, starter and fuel pump are 2-3 hour labor jobs, easy, and starter (for example on earlier models) requires replacing the gaskets when removing the intake manifold.

So I'd ask you: Knowing there's so much labor involved and other stuff you hafta replace, do you really want to use aftermarket parts, or would you rather buy from the OEM supplier, basically the same part that lasted so long in your truck from the factory, roughly the same QA, same processes, and they've spent time refining it?

Personally, I'm buying Aisin on TM/WP one because I want my truck to go another 10yr/100k miles without issues.

 

Yeah but OP wants the part ending in "021" vs. "001" so they get the tensioner also.

 

My experience was with the standard Gates serpentine belts, and not the HD green. I'll keep that in mind.

The dealer serpentine belts have changed - they were Dayco for the longest time and appear to be made by Bando now.

 

I want to say the factory originals were Mitsuboshi for timing and serp, but I may be wrong on that. I struggle typing that with an "o" and not Mitsubishi

 

Yeah, I grabbed the wrong one. 021 shows the pump gasket too.

 

Ah yes, the 'ol double-dick gasket!

Not that the tensioner looks any less phallic

 

Serp was Dayco. Seems like original timing belts were too. OE replacements changed at the dealer at one point. Been a while and I forget the details.

The Aisin kits typically have Mitsuboshi timing belts. Good stuff.

 

Ask for the old belt back to see it’s condition and whether it’s cracked or just stretched.

 

alright sounds good, definitely aisin is the way to go then, and for the price difference, may as well. Ill ask the dealer if they can put in an aisin kit instead.

Also, for water pump gasket I meant that square black looking one, which I think is the thermostat housing gasket? whatever the black square one is. Also what about those bolts? are those water pump bolts?

 

On my last job, I used 16341-50020 in addition to the Aisin kit. It was square. You will need to replace it.

Bolts are probably for the water pump. If yours are in good shape, they can be reused. If not, the truck will be at the dealer, and they will have new bolts.

Gates may include new bolts for several reasons. One reason could be that the Toyota bolts are either too long or too short due to differences in the aftermarket pump casting.