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Tundra turbo and other changes reliability?

Discussion in '3rd Gen Tundras (2022+)' started by Maxcat, Dec 27, 2023.

  1. Dec 27, 2023 at 7:59 PM
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    Maxcat

    Maxcat [OP] New Member

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    Looking at 2023-2024 new tundras to replace my fourth Taco at >200K miles on original engine and manual transmission. Will be factory order to get an 8 ft bed for this basic 4wd work truck.

    Questions about some of the feature changes and how they impact longevity.

    1. v6 Turbocharging- how impact engine maintenance and longevity?
    Assuming cooldowns and regular oil changes, can I expect 200K on this system.

    2. 10 speed Automatic Transmission usage towing, on rural snow and mud roads:
    - How significant is the accelerator lag? Safety concern.
    - Are there speed bands in which it keeps seeking gears?

    3. Any idea if the tow package includes a change to the RPM/torque bands in which they program a given speed? I drive at higher rpm when towing manual to baby the ride and anticipate downshifts on hills.

    4. Has anyone found a table, or can provide anecdotally, the range of engine RPMs at various gears and speeds?

    5. Can user dim the interior screen brightness way down and will it stay that way? A pet peeve on rental cars.

    6. Ground clearance and underside integrity driving on crusty snow... what has failed you?

    8. What other changes or weirdnesses are endemic to these newer models?
    My past unhappy surprises included ... no tach, no odometer tenths, no dimmer on interior lights, howling rear differential, blown bulb causing erroneous engine error codes, and much more.
     
  2. Dec 27, 2023 at 8:16 PM
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    GODZILLA

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    To start with, you can't "factory order" a Toyota. They do not offer that option. Best you can do is tell a dealership what you want and hope they get an allocation that is similar.

    1. Nobody knows. It's too new to tell what the longevity is going to be.
    2. The lag will be your standard turbo lag unless you get a Hybrid. The behavior of the transmission at speeds will vary based on the load. Towing/going uphill/into a strong headwind will all play a role. You're question is too vague to be answered accurately.
    3. The tow package itself won't change anything about how the truck drives. Using the tow/haul mode will adjust behaviors for better towing performance. If you run the truck in S-mode (selecting a maximum gear the transmission will run up to) then it may disable aspects of Tow/Haul mode. It did in the previous generation of Tundra, but I don't know for certain if it does in the new ones.
    4. No clue.
    5. Yes you can dim them, but you'd want to ask in the 3rd gen section if you want first hand accounts or details.
    As I don't own one, I can't speak toward numbers 6 or 8, but I do wonder what happened to number 7?
     
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    7. Get a 2021 low mileage Tundra before they’re all gone. :D

    I’ve yet to see a long bed gen3 in the wild yet.
     
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    Probably a SET thing.
     
  5. Dec 28, 2023 at 7:30 AM
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    Looking at my other turbocharged engines, 200k is what you can expect from a decent gasoline turbo engine before it develops thirst for parts. Mechanically it can be okay (not great though), but turbo control need new rubber diaphragms, vacuum hoses, sensors, etc. It will never run great until fully overhauled. Contrary, a good N/A engine in 10 years will run the same like it did on the first day.

    I can't say it's a trend yet, but a few folks here gave up on Toyotas as work truck and went to HD.
     
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  6. Dec 28, 2023 at 7:53 AM
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    1) no trucks have gone to 200k from what I understand, but there are a decent amount at 100k. Cooldowns are handled by the system as it has its own turbo coolers. Toyota recommends 10k Oil unless under heavy operating circumstances, in which case 5k. A lot of users will fall into 5k and the general consensus is to just do them at 5k.
    2) There can be some lag, it seems to depend on the user and truck. In Sport , Tow/Haul, or any of the hybrid units, it’s not an issue. Rolling stops exacerbate this condition. Sounds like you are going for a SR model, which won’t have any of those features. The 10speed transmission is incredible. Probably the best thing on the truck. It does not hunt gears. It put the truck right where it needs to be, optimum torque right out of the gate.
    3) Yes it does, keep in mind you will want to review the towing options on the SR. It cannot be had with the integrated towing brake module.
    4) I do not, but it may able to found out there
    5) Yes
    6) Nothing
    8) There is some wind noise. You will want to get the bed step. IMO it should have been standard equipment. I believe considering the things your asking, that you might benefit from going to the SR5, and you will get the up-tuned engine, availability of trailer brake controller, and a more complete tow package available.
     
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    Our 2003 2.4L manual transmission Tacoma has 205,000 miles so far, bought it new. Running great!

    We previously owned a 2016 5.7L SR-5 and used it mostly for towing a 4,900 pound trailer around the nation, it was a good truck for us, too.

    Purchased a new 2022 Tundra 2WD Crewcab and really like this truck towing the same trailer. It gets better fuel economy and has a little more power. Like the 10 speed transmission, too. The turbos do have a little lag, but not an issue for us. Time will tell with the turbos, but hope to keep this pickup at least 200,000 miles.

    Found 2100RPM in 7th gear yields around 62MPH with cruise on while towing an aerodynamic shaped 4900 pound travel trailer yields around 15MPG in North Carolina and Tennessee. Checked it with onboard computer and gallons used compared to miles driven.
     
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  8. Dec 28, 2023 at 5:46 PM
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    Thanks all, some helpful insights here.
     
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    Adding to say the SR5 and SR still have analog gauges, and there are plenty of physical buttons for HVAC.
     
  10. Jan 13, 2024 at 9:57 AM
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    Well I talked with over thirty dealers nationwide to track down an 8 ft Tundra... exactly two in the country in white (not black.)
    Heard nothing but negative opinions about the new turbo engines and ultimately decided to buy a 2023 Tacoma V6 6ft bed I can move my expensive contractors cap over to. Signed the papers yesterday.
     
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    Good thing these dont have vacuum actuators for the turbo wastegates
     
  12. Jan 13, 2024 at 2:47 PM
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    Off topic but up in Dakota all you see are 5.5` Crewmax's, had to drive 530 miles to Billings to find a limited 6.5` bed and I opted for the double cab to stay with the shorter wheel base which is non existent in our area.
     
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  13. Jan 13, 2024 at 3:01 PM
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    The op's concerns,
    Turbo V6, time will tell but if anyone can pull it off, I believe Toyota can, oil change maintenance, adequate warm up and cool down are essential to extend the life of a turbo charged engine.

    Transmission seems more than adequate although low speed operation (below 20 MPH) I feel using tow haul improves stop and go driving such as residential areas as it can get hung up in 2nd or 3rd gear if not coming to a complete stop. Otherwise transmission works great.

    Towing, don't hesitate to use tow haul, turns truck into a beast, keeps engine right on lower end of peak torque range or for heavier loads tow haul + keeps engine pretty much at peak torque.

    First year (22) there were a lot of concerns of fit and finish issues, but most of those issues have evolved and gone away.
     
  14. Jan 13, 2024 at 3:04 PM
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