Turbo fix, no cab removal

For all you nay saying doomsday preaching nervous nellies on this forum.

 

I don’t understand why everyone is so butt hurt about cab off repairs. The trucks are made for it, it’s simple and allows the tech better access to what is being worked on.

 

Because it basically makes it impossible to service yourself. So if your turbo takes a dump at 100k miles 8 years down the road, you're screwed.

I am curious to see how they did it without removing the cab. I wonder if they removed the engine to do it? From what I've read, those are the only two ways to do it. Very curious to know if it can be done without removing the engine or cab.

 

Yeah so just take the cab off! Easy peasy for Joe Homeowner.



Toyota here to let you know that not only are their style designers the worst in the industry, they now hate regular owners that might want to work on their truck.

 

I'm glad it was repaired and hope you have many carefree miles in your future. I think the cab off repairs are easiest for a dealership, but this repair shows it is not required to remove the cab to change the turbos, this should make many of the forum members more at ease.

 

It’s not just Toyota. Right to repair fights have been getting more intense the last few years everywhere.

 

If it's older used trucks cab coming off for repair is fine but not the brand new truck you just bought. If I have a choice between trucks cab came off for repair or truck that's been fixed at the factory before the assembly began, I will pick the latter. Every time.

 

I worked on an early iteration of a half ton diesel project many years ago. The project team and our boss shit canned the project in part because the packaging was so awful that cab off repairs were needed for starters and other high wear items.

 

I see very few people in the gen 2.5-3 crowd that keep their trucks that long. Most members seem to trade in their trucks every 2-4 years. This likely won't be a concern for any of the members that are worried about the Turbo issue.

 

Haha wow this is such a hot take. "Regular owners" that "replace turbos"? Pick one, but you can't have both. As if the engineers sit down and think to themselves if Joe Truckowner would be able to swap turbos or change the timing belt or replace a hybrid battery.

If you're comfortable enough and expecting to perform major engine work on your vehicle, congratulations, you are an above average owner.

 

historically. the toyota community does a lot of work on their trucks themselves. Toyota is changing towards the dealer only like everyone else.

 

This turbo issue will happen well within 2-4 years.

 

Yes and they still will. But the community you're talking about still makes up a small percentage of total Tundra owners.

 

But then it’s under warranty. Whether it’s easy to fix or not, it won’t cost anything to have the dealer do it.

 

In this example the person had their truck for 2 days and 160miles so you’re exactly right… Gen 2.5 for the win! I’d say this is precisely why not having the V8 option was a big miss and I gotta think the Big 3 are welcoming Toyota to the club and laughing at this turbo issue within the first week (days) of ownership… Long live the V8!

 

Hopefully the Tundra cab does not require "cab-off" for anything. Maybe it's just optional. I know it would've been nice to cab-off my Titan when swapping exhaust manifolds, holy cow.

But what I find interesting is that people who usually post level headed comments, somehow think cab-off is fine!?

Any repair, on any truck that requires cab-off will require:
- steering mechanism disconnect, with possible recalibration of an EPS system, probably using a dealer only tech tool
- disconnection of brake lines requiring fluid extraction, and during reassembly will require servicing the entire hydraulic system including the use of the more advanced scan tools that can run the ABS purge procedure
- evacuate and recovery of the AC system, replace o-rings/seals in disconnected joints. Leak test and refill AC system followed by a performance check.
- if the truck has any accessories that cross the plane of cab separation, such as off-road lighting harness, compressor, Upgraded stereo system wiring, etc will need to be dealt with

If warranty does that, just because you didn't pay for it doesn't mean it wouldn't be nice to not have to futz with those systems.

And if it needs to be done post-warranty, just remember that everything I listed will end up as a line item that goes on your bill. You get to pay for all that.

Now I'm only saying for sake of discussion. Hopefully Tundra doesn't actually need cab-off for most things, including turbos.

 

I know of two people now who had there turbo replaced without taking the cab off. The original cab off story was that the regional tech or whoever wanted a better view of the issue that’s why the cab was off in the first place but everyone knows how things blow up.

 

Honda isn't much better. Had to remove a battery and access the headlights through the fender. Or the Chevy were you needed to drop the engine to change the last spark plug.

 

There’s so much space to take the turbo out without removing the cab. Driver’s side is tighter because of the steering shaft but turbo can still come out.

 

Replacing a turbo is not a very hard job on a normal car or truck. Even a green shade tree mechanic could have a turbo swapped in a day with hand tools. Regardless, replacing a turbo will cost thousands just in labor in this truck instead of hundreds. Some of us aren't happy about it. I'm sure the truck drives great and will be pretty reliable but it just sucks when manufacturers engineer shit so that it can't be worked on by anyone but a dealer. It just sucks. Most shops probably won't even want to touch these so you're basically forced to go though the dealership.

We're all going to have to deal with it eventually regardless of what brand you pick.

 

eventually tech will find way to short cut the process, but still charge them for removing the cab.

it's not a nice feeling when you bought brand new truck and they have to remove most bolts, nut, and connectors to repair something. also who knows it's getting back to factory spec.

 

Just like the steering rack on the 07-21s. I was told the book says remove the cab or engine, but it can be done without it. They still charge the full book rate though.

 

That's an easy decision for you. Just don't buy one.

 

Remove the front wheel, remove the fender liner, and my guess is you’re right there for most of it. Can you do it yourself if you know what you’re doing? Probably. Will it be “easy”? Maybe…

However given how easy it is to do cab removal from a modern truck that is made for it, I would not be mad at all about a tech removing the cab. Getting easier access to the work is probably going to result in better quality work.

We can all be mad about Toyota not designing the truck to be reasonably serviced by an end user, but at some point service by the end user has to be defined as reasonable or not. From Toyota’s perspective Joe Blow replacing his own turbos is probably not in the scope of what Toyota would expect Joe Blow average owner to be tackling.

Oil and other fluid changes? Yep. Maybe a serpentine belt? Probably. Spark plugs? Sure. Air filters, and the oil filter? Obviously. All that stuff is reasonably accessible on most vehicles.

Turbos though? Toyota doesn’t want you monkeying around with that stuff. Furthermore they’re not making the truck easy for Joe Blow to do major repairs on. They’re going to make it as easy as possible for their dealers to do major repairs on. If the reason why isn’t obvious I won’t be able to convince you guys. Let’s just say that 99.9% of owners who need major repairs will take it to a mechanic and not do it themselves. So why would Toyota expend effort designing the truck and possibly compromising some things in order to make it easier for a tiny fraction of buyers to wrench on the truck themselves?

 

Need to remove all the intake plumbing, that seems tight. Cat is easy to take off, v-band clamp on turbo side and 2 bolts on the other side. Turbo is attached by 3 bolts to the engine, seems like it’s easier to reach from the underside of the truck. Undo oil lines, coolant lines, disconnect WGV connector and out it comes. Belts seem really easy to change but easier from underside of the vehicle. I can see all coilpacks so plugs should be easy to change. Intake filter is incredibly easy to change. Toyota was probably constrained in where they could put the turbo and where the engine needs to sit in the frame so that’s why it’s a tight fit.

 

Typical engine placement as far back as practicable for weight distribution and handling. It might be a truck, but if the goal is to have it not drive like a truck weight distribution still matters.

 

NM

 

What makes you think that? Toyota has resumed production so I would imagine the issue is resolved.

 

I can't understand why people defend this kind of engineering. Even if you pay someone to do it, the longer it takes for the job to be done, the more the consumer pays. Having to drop the engine or take the entire cab off reminds me of something I'd see on and Audi. It's not just about DIYers. It's about everyone since it's something you'll have to pay for.

With that said, a well cared for vehicle should not have any issues with turbos for well over 100k miles but time will tell how this engine is. Hopefully Toyota has lived up to its name here. I'm hopeful.

 

Cab off is done because it is faster. A lot faster.