2022 Tundra vs 2022 F-150 opinion?

oh i know. cant have cake and eat it too. Might have to bite the bullet and get the airbags

 

toyota did a great job on the OEM FWIW. it works nice, I back up, hit the lower button in the cab, it lowers the rear of the truck down, I hitch up, load up, and then fire it up and it raises up perfectly level and stays there.

pretty cool stuff. I guess you can raise it as well under like 18 mph, but Ive never really messed with that.

 

Sport+ is the best drive mode

 

I was talking load leveling deal, but as far as AVS is concerned

I like comfort, normal, and sport+. Never been in eco, even for a second, don't use sport.

I have also discovered tow+ recently, holy smokes, 0 torque management restrictions, it rips when you're in the mood for that.

 

I liked Toyotas settings for their drive modes. Toying crazy. The raptor sport mode was good but they messed with the transmission shift points and I hated it . Had to use the manual levers

 

This F-150 has plenty of drive modes. Eco, normal, sport, slippery. Then several modes for off road, deep snow/ sand, ruts and rock climbing. I used the deep snow/ sand mode in a dry river bed, certain portions get real deep with soft sand then transitions to almost rock crawling, changed modes accordingly . It performed pretty well in unison with the rear locking differential along with the 3.5 Ecoboost.

 

comfort mode on long trips not towing is so nice, rides AWESOME.

100% better than my last truck

 

I can't wait to see the 200,000 mile reviews or does everyone trade them before warranty is up?

 

Ford has a book with the weight of every option - it seems they generate their stickers based on that and are always dead-on or extremely close to it.

As far as I could tell from running scrap a couple times, my 2020 was either exact to the GVWR - payload sticker or not far from it. Haven't had this truck on a scale yet.

Frame's a little thinner and it has the 8.8" axle. Most of the others have the 9.75, though certain 5.0s get the 8.8 as well.

I loved my 2.7 - awesome engine. I'd have another, except even before they dropped it from the Lariat you couldn't get the HD payload past a base XLT.

 

Had to be a trip to some 3rd world country. Probably no payload stickers on those trucks so there are no limits.

 

If you look up the payload on that Hilux it has a 1115 KG payload (2,458 lbs)

 

Ford spent $5B on warranty repairs last year. That's against a pre-tax goal of $10B so ouch. The quality issue continues to be a drain on earnings.
They are releasing 150,000 F150's and Rangers that had shitty SW that left components and drained batteries which then caused other issues. They have updated with less shitty software to release the stop ship. I saw a '23 F150 in front of me that had the flickering light syndrome and it reminded me of the one I had.
The good news in all of this is that as far as I can tell, there are a ton of trucks on Ford lots right now. Ford releases another 150K there should be even better deals.
Each one includes a multi-meter under the rear seat at no charge.

"In recent years, Ford has had a nightmare when it comes to build quality and reliability. The American automaker has faced countless recalls relating to faulty windshields, battery issues and mechanical problems, leading it to top the list of automakers with the most recalls not one, not two but three years running."

 

It also only weighs like 4500 lbs for a crew cab I think. It’s barely heavier than a Tacoma/Ranger.

I really don’t think there is anything special about them the GVWR regulations are just more relaxed.

 

This page is very old, but it highlights the differences between the Hilux/older Toyota pickups of the 80s and early 90s and the Tacoma. The Hilux is a literal 1-ton midsized truck. Fully boxed, gusseted frame. Heavy duty fully floating axles. (At least at the time this page was written).

http://brian894x4.com/Hiluxdifferences.html

"But one of the most important reasons for selecting the older suspension may be ​

surprising. The frame of the older truck was far more durable than the new Tacoma. The
older truck has a fully boxed, internally gussetted frame that is capable of up to a 1 ton load
capacity with minor modifications, including different springs and full floating rear axles.
The Tacoma, and even the bigger Tundra, is only rated for 1/2 ton on all models and offers
no 1 ton model. One reason is likely the weaker only partly boxed frame. Most of the
Hilux's customers are industry who demand high payload capacity. A great number of
Hilux's sold are of the 1 ton capacity type. In the United States, the last Toyota that was 1
ton capable was a version of the 1998 T-100. The T-100 uses the same suspension and
frame as the current generation Hilux, only wider."​

 

You boys can make a run for Mexico. Mexico sells the Hilux brand new.

https://toyotacleber.com/hilux/?utm...fWq9POLqQH858fxnPCvHWOeJ7oIOhrmBoCV5AQAvD_BwE

https://www.seminuevos.com/usados/-/autos/-/toyota/hilux

https://www.autocosmos.com.mx/auto/usado/toyota/hilux

Prices are in MX pesos, some of those trucks are diesel !! Not to sure about the process to bring em state side…. MX pesos currency exchange rate is 16.71 currently.

 

from the Detroit Free Press.

Ford Motor Co. on Tuesday reported 2023 adjusted earnings before interest and taxes (EBIT) of $10.4 billion, compared with $10.4 billion in 2022 and $10 billion in 2021. For the fourth quarter alone, Ford reported EBIT of $1.1 billion compared with $2.6 billion a year ago.

They had a bad 4th quarter but overall... 2023 - 2022 - 2021 consistent.
So before interest and and taxes Ford made over 10 billion last year. Can you imagine the taxes if they didn't have business expenses to write that income down. Its all a game as far as the numbers go. The $5b is a bean counters number (legal, until audited and proved otherwise) and its done to make the numbers look good - for investors.

Now the individual owners of these trucks.
Ford continues to qualify their vehicles as business expenses and advertises it.

The Ford F-150 is the best-selling not truck but vehicle in 2023 in Canada and the United States.

 

Powerboost still driving fine. There was a parts delay (the other big Ford problem.) Somehow they needed a new cat to be able to complete the heat exchanger repair.

Supposed to go in for the final buttoning up Monday. I told them to change the oil and rotate the tires so I don't need to go back for that in 2 months and will hopefully not see them til December.

I hear rumors the heat exchanger has been revised so I hope someone can get me a firm answer on that when I go in.

 

Got the truck back, driving and sounding like new again after the exhaust section/heat exchanger replacement. As usual when I visit a dealer I couldn't help remember during COVID how supposedly things would never be the same and one thing that would change forever is dealers would probably only have a couple vehicles on the lot to test drive and it would all otherwise be special order going forward. Now my dealer is knee deep in Broncos, first '24 F150s showing up. A few 23s still left. F250s and F350s lined up out front along with a few flavors of Mustang.

 

The Ford dealer here in Park City is pretty small and looks like a damn exotic car collection. They have a first gen Ford GT in the show room(not sure if its actually for sale), a GT500, like 3-4 Bronco Raptors, multiple F150 Raptors, quite a few lightnings and all sorts of other fancy stuff. It doesn't seem to be moving much.

 

Ford recalled approx 500,000 SUV’s and light pick ups yesterday. Fuel injectors that may crack and lead and electrical problems that drain batteries.
Going to be busy at the dealerships.

 

Just Bronco Sport and Maverick right?

The models affected include Ford Bronco Sport SUVs made between 2021 to 2024 and the Ford Maverick pickups made between 2022 to 2023, specifically totaling 456,565 units.

 

I would rather see recalls than just ignoring shit like the old days IMO

 

Software fix, too bad it can't be done OTA.

 

Yes, but the Ford problem is that they can't get the multi-year quality brush fire put out and now are saying they will not make material progress for 12-24 months.

 

I agree. My Tundra just did an OTA update on the infotainment. Interesting but not that big of a deal. I doubt Toyota can do much more than that OTA.
The Ford SW update could be simple or very complex based on my F150 experience. It was hugely time consuming for the dealer, think hours, for them to update anything if the gateway or APIM modules were involved. Maybe they have better tools that let them update faster and with better reliability than when I was going through it 11 months ago.

 

They can take their time. The 24+ is ugly to me. Looks like a Maverick.

 

I like them. I think Ford has done an A+ job migrating the looks of the F150 over the generations. I think the new Super Duty looks great too.

 

A ranger has a fully boxed frame. So does a Colorado.

Just cause Toyota is a bunch of slack jaws and put c-channel frames on their US specific trucks up until TNGA-F doesnt mean the Hilux is special. It just means its not a Tacoma.

 

It's not just the frame, although that's part of it, sure. The Hilux is also a legit 1-ton rated midsize pickup with fully floating axles.

 

And I don't think the new fuel injector recall has a permanent fix attached to it yet which pisses a lot of people off. There is a drain tube installed to re route potentially leaking fuel to a less harmful location and some sort of sensor installed to alert the driver to a problem sooner. Also a warranty extension on the part. There is no redesigned part to fix the problem right now.