3rd Gen Max Highway Driving Range - Hybrid vs. Non Hybrid?

Yep, that's what I'm worried about. That's slightly worse than my old 5.7 was. Was it mostly flat or hilly?

 

Interesting, that formula is correct.

 

Man that is awesome. I take it that was mostly flat?

 

There’s no difference which is the problem. They could’ve used that battery to compete with Ford’s inverter setup but then cost would probably go up. But at least having the option of more wattage is nice if they can do it on the tacoma but possible for the tundra.

I’m in DFW, we have small elevation changes but it’s a traffic hell hole but on longer trips I tend to stay at 75 and my mpgs drop to 22 ish no cruise control for me I feel like I can beat it almost every time.

 

I think the problem is that the hybrid systems are not mature enough to be useful in a towing application. They're not able to store and regen enough energy to satisfy the longest inclines in the US yet. If the battery would have enough energy to sustain the longest climbs in the US at maximum power, then it would be useful in a towing application. Also, if the battery would be able to store all the regen energy for the longest descents in the US, it would be useful in a towing application.

 

nice! I’m in DFW too. That’s amazing! Thats exactly how i drive, no cruise control and stay at 75-80

 

you can set the dash cluster to calculate per trip ( Every time it starts ). Leave the navigation to do an " over all". no way in hell that truck is worse than the 5.7......I have owned both

Once over 65 the hybrid is pretty much non existant.

 

This isn’t complicated. There’s a reason Toyota never advertised fuel saving advantages with the iForce Max. It turns out driving a 6400+ lb Lego brick isn’t efficient.

Only when you intentionally take advantage of the hybrid drive in stop and go traffic does it help make up the fuel economy hit of lugging around the static extra 500 lb at highway speeds when the hybrid is not working.

 

So to wrap this up do we concur the hybrid will deliver significantly less highway range vs. the non- hybrid when driven at 75-80 mph highway speeds?

 

If that makes you sleep better at night......fill your boots. Nothing like making a conclusion off an internet forum LOL.

You want facts line 2 identical trucks up, one with a hybrid and go on a roady. Not that tough.

My money is on the Hybrid

 

Who gives a shit , you have to piss before either uses up the whole tank anyways

 

Our highways in CO aren't that fast but with the hills/mountains I'd bet on the hybrid significantly out ranging a non hybrid based on the mpg I see on mine and the lexus hybrid we have

 

People who live and works in rural areas where gas stations can be few and far between.

 

That makes perfect sense, have driven a lot up there. Sorry I should’ve qualified that this would flat highway driving.

 

Exactly what I find fascinating as you have people that seem very convinced one way or the other and a few they feel the difference will actually be very marginal. There seems to be little you can glean from the EPA numbers after reading how they were gathered that is not really representative of a long road trip but more of a trip across the city with a highway component.

I think the most interesting thing I’ve learned is the hybrid owners seem to think the hybrid motor does not contribute above constant speed 65 miles an hour. Seems to indicate it’s just quite a bit of extra weight on an extended highway trip.
However, some think almost 10% extra weight will not make much of any difference at continuous speed, and hybrid offsets it accelerating to the speed. That might be true. I think one of the guys on here is a railroad engineer and I bet he understands the physics pretty well I believe modern locomotives are essentially hybrids.

Of course, would love to see a test to find out for certain who is right.

If Tundra was offered with a diesel. I can 1000% assure you this question would be tested and fully answered by now.

 

This is even more critical when towing because not all gas stations are large enough to conveniently accommodate trailers.

That's why, for the F150, the non-hybrid is preferable to the hybrid powertrain when towing longer distances. The non-hybrid can be configured with a 36 gallon fuel tank and the hybrid only has a 30-32 gallon fuel tank while weighing a bit more. Although the weight factor isn't as significant as the additional fuel tank capacity when it come to constant speed driving/towing.

 

sorry not buying that, range is still massive with either vehicle, there is nowhere in the USA where stations are more than 300 miles apart, and the range is way more than that

 

you guys are overblowing this, there is plenty of range in either truck and there isnt much different between them, just get what you like and be done with this endless debate over 1-2 MPG

 

This is ridiculous. The mpg is slightly worse on the hybrid sure, but even if you got one less mpg over the non hybrid, you could go 30 miles less. No way you are driving 500+ miles between gas stations, no one is driving that distance without stopping and there is nowhere in the US with a gas station that far from the last one. Buy whatever truck you want and stop over thinking it. It is known that the tundra is not built for fuel efficiency and the hybrid was never designed for that. I can’t believe this thread has gone on for 4 pages and you still trying to determine which one is better. Facts remain that the hybrid system could be less efficient at highway speeds but only by small margin. But no one is getting what is even advertised because no one is driving 65-70 to make it to their destination on highways that people are driving 80 on.

 

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... that's what I said. The difference in range will be negligible because the fuel consumption at constant highway speeds is more about overcoming aero drag for vehicles of similar weight. If the fuel tank capacities between the non iForce Max and iForce powertrains are the same, the range should be similar for constant highway speed driving. This isn't the case on the F150.

 

I remember that story hahaha, but doubt OP is willing to wear diapers to go the further distance possible. Wonder what she was driving, don’t think she made all 900 miles on one tank, so she had to stop at some point. Plus the non hybrid is not going 900 miles on a tank, we are talking 30-60 mile difference max between the two with averaging 1-2 mpg better if that is what you are getting difference between the two.

 

No.

 

I usually show 620 to 635 miles to empty after filling up. Computer shows 22.9mpg last reset 4k miles ago. Sr5 4wd stock.

 

I agree that we can't know the conditions driven under or towing but that can go both ways. Here is what fuelly is reporting from owners.

Hybrid...


Non hybrid

 

I5 so mostly flat. But We used to get 11 MPG over 100K miles in our old 2010 Sequia Platinum so 16.4 aint that bad to me.