2022 Tundra

Are you sure Wednesday's event isn't for the GR86 launch? Or do you think it might be a multi-product launch?
https://pressroom.toyota.com/prepare-for-a-shift-in-the-wind/

 

I am sure of nothing BUT I'll be tuning in.

 

The calendar event is 3 hours so id assume there’s a few things

 

Yep, 9-noon per the .ics file. I would sure think they'd release more than one at a time for ease.

 

i will be once again disappointed by them not revealing tundra in that event just like i had to sit through superball to look for new tundra commercial as rumored earlier.

 

We clearly are all wrong..... Considering the shift in the wind comment, instead of gas/hybrid/electric technology, Toyota is going with wind/propellers to power the new Tundra. A bunch of little propellers have been hiding under the black skirts on the test mules. The propellers will return a turbine to make power......

 

Interested to see how long they last before needing to replace a turbo...

 

toyota ridgeline????

 

Propellors you say? Interesting. Would this make the truck amphibious? I'd love to troll for trout with my Tundra.

 

That interior photo is a 2021 Highlander platinum.

 

What are you intending to sell once you finish padding your post count to 50?

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0v62rc4A1DA

 

I have no idea.

 

Well I can absolutely verify that:
1) yes, I’m an idiot.
2) On flat ground with 1/4 tank it’s a gamble if my truck starts
While parked in my driveway.

 

I'm not really sure why everyone gets worked up over turbos. I've got a 99 dodge diesel with 400,000 miles on it and the turbo has never been touched. A properly engineered turbocharger will last longer than the engine itself.

Before anyone says "but that's a diesel", a turbocharger is a turbocharger, it doesn't make any difference if it's on a gas or a diesel engine.

 

I agree. I had 30 year old twin “Detroit” diesels with turbos that ran like a champ to the day I sold it.

 

It's not the Turbo specifically that is in question, at least for me and I base my questioning on the physical size of the new Toyota offering.
For family crap like groceries, bicycles, camping stuff, wood, dogs, etc, it will be fine.
Now lets talk about very heavy towing loads on a regular basis with a gas engine of this size.
This also needs to be a work truck.
I maintain that the lifespan of this little V6 will be compromised compared to a big inch engine.
They should of made it a Diesel to make use of the turbo application as that would support heavy load hauling over a long time.

 

IMO diesels need only to be in a 3/4 ton and up. I see no advantage of a small diesel in a 1/2 ton over a good gasser engine.

 

Some seem focused on the displacement of the new engine (3.5L vs 5.7L). Displacement doesn't mean much to durability, it's the hardiness of the internals and usually, but not always, more mass means a stronger built bottom end. The 5.7L weighs 489 lbs, I can't locate a weight for the 3.5TT, maybe someone here knows it? My bet is the engine bottom end is going to be overbuilt to the point that reliability isn't a problem, I suspect that engine will come out weighing close to or more than the 5.7L.

Take the 5.9L cummins diesel, an engine known for longevity. It weighs 1100 lbs despite it's displacement being similar to our 5.7's. The internals are massive in that engine because it's built to work hard. I know it's a diesel vs. gas so the comparison isn't really valid, but it illustrates that you can have engines of similar displacement designed for vastly different duty ratings with similar displacements.

Toyota doesn't build crap and I'll bet that the new engine will hold up just fine. Getting more power out of smaller displacements isn't a problem if the engine is designed to handle it, and I'll bet this one is.

 

I think you make some good points...I would add that the less complicated a machine is also a benefit to longevity...generally speaking.

 

The 5.9L Cummins weighs what it does because it’s a diesel, so rotating assembly components are heavier. Plus it is an inline 6, so the block and cylinder head are long and heavy by nature. Both block and heads are made from cast iron which weigh twice as much (basically) as the aluminum making up those parts in the 3UR-FE. I’m sure if you compared the crank shaft in a 5.9L to a 3UR-FE the 5.9L is probably going to have larger main journals and crank journals, larger heavier counter weights, and of course be longer.

If the 5.9L had an aluminum block and head it would still probably weigh 650-700lbs.

 

Not everyone wants or needs a 3/4 ton pick up.
However, people do tow and load quite a bit in half tons.
A small diesel / turbo is right in line for long haul, heavy loaded applications.
A small diesel / turbo would sell in the states much better than you know and the potential is why it is not available.
If available, almost no one would pop for a gas engine unless it was a large displacement unit.
Torque is the rule for trucks and diesels do in large quantities compared to gas engines.

 

Go find a GM 1/2 ton on a dealer lot with the 3.0L Duramax. Almost impossible to find one in stock, even before the current shortage of inventory. They can’t build them fast enough.

Almost every review of that engine advises to buy the diesel or the big V8, with more and more advising to go for the diesel. Both make 460lb-ft but the diesel makes it a lot sooner in the operating range and pulls significantly higher mileage than the big gas V8.

Virtually no one reviewing the trucks advises to buy the 5.3L V8, or the 2.7L I4 Turbo.

Which begs the question why can’t we get this new 3.3L V6 Diesel that the 300 Series Land Cruiser is getting? The engine meets new Euro standards for emissions so it should pass here too. It fits in the truck. Evidently it also makes about 309hp, and 516lb-ft of torque. I would strongly consider it over the gas 3.5 L TTV6 if the current power projections for it are accurate.

 

2JZ comes to mind. Or any of Honda's engines with forged components.

 

U.S. diesel emissions standards are much stricter than in the European Union.

 

That's why the big 3 don't sell any 5.0s, 3.5EBs, 5.7s, 5.3s or 6.2s, right?

 

Going forward, not too much anymore.

 

A quick comparison of the two does show particulate emissions and NOx are stricter here. However, the problem is not insurmountable and Toyota could achieve certification in the US and I suspect their new 3.3L wouldn’t be that hard to certify.

I suspect it would sell quite well too.

 

They would have too do a lot with the 1500 diesels to make me want one Ram especially. The Ecodiesel is more than a Fuel economy engine that can tow and the 5.7L Hemi towed better from my experiences. Out of the three though the 1500 Duramax is the better for towing imo. I have towed with 2500/3500 diesels before so probably a big reason I am not impressed with the majority of the 1500 diesels right now.