Payload Stickers?

I read the post but it still means nothing if you’re under your GVWR but over your payload do you think the Toyota police are going to come after you

 

Didn't say it meant anything. I'm just saying that I understand Toyota low balling it.

 

Correct from a corporate standpoint it makes sense all I’m saying is that sticker and number on it mean absolutely nothing in the real world

 

You can argue that it doesn't change the sticker all you want, that's not what anyone who's actually going to use payload cares for. As someone who uses trucks for utility, I don't give a flying fuck what that sticker says. It can say 69 pounds of payload, but if it has a GVWR of 7,500 and I go and weight it at 6,000, I'm gonna throw 1,500 pounds of shit in it. You're just being obnoxious by arguing that it doesn't change the payload rating. I can also rip 400 pounds out of the truck and quite literally from an engineering standpoint, I'm increasing my payload by 400 pounds. Yeah, great, the sticker still says 69 pounds. Fuck it. Now I'm throwing 1,900 pounds in it. Fuck your sticker, I give a shit about what the truck can do without damaging it or being a danger to myself and others on the road.

 

Breathe.

 

I'm calm. It's just obnoxious when Dfrink did the right thing and went out and weighed his truck to get an accurate payload rating and you're trying to rain on his parade. What he did was 100% correct and his mentality is also the correct one to have. You're trying to argue it doesn't change the sticker. Yeah no shit. No one is arguing that. Everyone's concern here is understanding what the truck is capable of and how Toyota is underrating their trucks and you trying to point out the obvious is bringing nothing of value.

 

You're correct that I can't, for example, add a leaf spring to my truck to artificially increase the payload (GVWR). Your mistake is in thinking that the "payload" number on the sticker in the door is the official capacity, rather than the GVWR.

 

I can see that, but I'm just stating that the rating doesn't change. If that payload rating has X pounds of capacity set aside for driver buffer, that is still the rating. With the fluctuations in all that the only thing that might hit you legally have issues with will be the GVWR. Being a literal bastard about it, though, that doesn't change the payload rating. That's the point I've been harping on, but not necessarily the significance, or lack of significance.

A buddy of mine will say I'm being a literal bastard at times, to which I usually respond that my parents were married and so I am literally not a bastard. He either laughs or or shoots me a dirty look. Either way it's entertaining.

 

My dude there’s no such thing as “payload rating” there is only gross vehicle weight rating. The sticker only says the payload which is cargo and all occupants including the driver can’t exceed some number.

GVWR, GAWR, and GCWR are the only ratings.

 

Now that is a novel approach to it, and you're right. As I said before I've just been playing devil's advocate. Letting off a bit of steam from some crappy work stuff by having a little fun playing the role of a troll, I guess. My apologies for ruffling feathers. I'm an ass at times.


The only thing I would wonder based off of that sticker is how binding it could possibly be. I totally understand the GVWR and such not being exceeded will be the major criteria for any kind of issue, but if some power tripping jerk were to pursue it, how much of a headache could they cause based on the wording there? It states that occupants and cargo should never exceed the 1400 pounds, but what if you can fit more than that while still being under GVWR? I'm just thinking out loud, not arguing the point or anything.

In all things towing and payload related I defer to @ColoradoTJ because the man hauls and tows more than anyone I know. So, @ColoradoTJ, how do you figure the above scenario would work? Would the "should never exceed XXXX pounds" be followed as it is more strict than the GVWR, or would the GVWR be the standard?

 

I understand, but I think the law is pretty clear on GVWR for commercial vehicles. I think it could be argued easily that GVWR means the maximum loaded vehicle weight and therefore if the GVWR is more than the unloaded vehicle weight plus the specified maximum for occupants and cargo capacity, the more cargo or occupant weight can be carried by the vehicle until the GVWR is reached.

At any rate, I think the door sticker is stupid and pointless if it just has a blanket value. It would be much more useful if each truck was weighed and the cargo capacity confirmed individually. ESPECIALLY because Toyota advertises high payloads that aren’t reflected in the sticker.

 

They also didnt tow with it when it was 90 degrees at 11,000’.

Actually, now that you mention it, they just got rid of their tundra so we will never get to see it

 

The GVWR is, payload is gvwr minus curb weight.

The links there all say you can increase the payload capacity of the truck by removing weight. So wouldn’t that imply that the payload is simply a calculation?

Just like HP is a calculated value based on RPM and Torque, Payload is a calculated value based on weight and gvwr

 

Keep reading. This was yesterday's asshattery.

 

TFL did some fairly tough towing with their '22. Ike Gauntlet twice, LA to Denver with the 7klb HQ19 (without a WDH) a load in the bed and three passengers. Even took the HQ19 offroad in Moab. Denver to Phoenix also. The drivetrain did fine. Yeah, it wasn't 90 degrees ambient temp. We'll see this summer if there are cooling troubles with the TTV6.

As for payload door jamb stickers if one chooses to exceed it that's a personal choice. I beef up the rear suspension if I see too much squat with a trailer hooked up and gear in the cargo area.

 

The key word on the door jamb label is "should". If it was an absolute number it would say "shall". The application of these terms are critical in regulations and legal discussions and documents. The fact that is says "should" means it is a suggested limit not an absolute limit. Again reinforcing the usage of terminology and that it is more a CYA on Toyota's part. Actual vehicle measurement relative to the GVWR is the true capacity.

 

Just weighed mine for the first time with everything I normally carry.

7200 GVWR and it weighs 6520lbs.Feel good where it's at. Time for 35/12.50s.

 

not much tongue capacity left, or is that with a trailer ?

 

My boat trailer is around 3,500lbs with about 350lb tongue weight.

 

looks like your gold assuming that was all the passengers and full tank

woohoo

 

Had a full tank at the time and my boat only handles one other person besides me...Phew.

 

Well, that's encouraging! I had nearly eliminated the Tundra due to low payload stickers. I full-time towing a camper, carry lots of stuff so need maximum payload. Limited DC with offroad package showed sticker of 1490. My current Highlander has 1340! So, almost bought an F-150 with 1820 payload sticker. Hoping I might be able to actually weigh a Tundra on a test drive Thanks.

 

Just checked my door stickers after checking out this thread. I haven't weighed my truck, but Toyota data says it **should** be ~6015 pounds, and the GVWR is listed as 7615 lbs. I'm curious about the GVWR discrepancy between the various trims Crewmax 4WD models as I would have expected similar ratings for each. Is there a belief that the hybrid models have a higher GVWR due to an upgraded axle or something? As others have seen, I am seeing a higher calculated payload of ~1600 lbs than what is listed on the door sticker. Interesting in any case.

 

If you're full time towing a trailer get an HD truck. They are made to tow and haul, unlike half tons that are made to go get groceries and tow twice a year. And since you're loaded up towing the HD's will get similar gas mileage (and possibly better) than the half ton turbo's.

 

They upped the GVWR to compensate for the heavy hybrid battery so you don't only have 1100 or 1200 lb of available payload.

So your stickers say GVWR of 7615 lb and "occupants and cargo should not exceed" 1610 lb?

I'd be really interested to see what your truck weighs on a CAT scale bone stock with a full tank of fuel and no one in it. Wonder if it's a couple hundred pounds less than what the door jamb numbers say it is like several others' trucks have shown to be at the scales.

 

I am too. I may have to find a time to weigh it.

And no, the listed "occupants and cargo should not exceed" weight on the sticker is only 1355 lbs. But the calculated payload based on the GVWR and assumed weight of the truck should be ~1600 pounds.

 

If your GVWR is 7615 lb, and your "should not exceed" number is 1355 lb, then Toyota is saying that your truck's curb weight 6260 lb. It would be nice to find out that it's actually under 6k lbs. Would love to hear your result. Tank's gotta be full for an accurate number.

My 2nd gen's curb weight is 5930 lb according to the stickers. I never got a chance to weigh it bone stock.

 

I thought about that but my camper is pretty tiny... 5000 lb GVWR. It's loaded up pretty close to that. Plus, I carry a big kayak, and lots of other stuff in the tow vehicle. Still, I can work with around 1600 lb payload with no problem. HD truck might be overkill for my little rig. Thanks!

 

A 5,000 lb trailer is far from "tiny". Your loaded tongue weight is likely somewhere around 600-750 lbs.

This is our lightly loaded trailer, scales at 4,660 lbs loaded (GVWR = 5,692 lbs). Before I switch to Li batteries the tongue weight scaled at 750 lbs.

All these people throwing around "10%" tongue weight for a travel trailer like it's a fact have no idea what they're talking about.....I've yet to have one under 12.5%.

 

My tongue weight is 520 lb as currently loaded. But, it could certainly get up to 600 depending upon load distribution. Would like to stick with a 1/2 ton truck as it will also be my daily driver and the HD trucks fuel consumption is pretty bad when not towing. Thanks!