Why no new posts in the engine failures thread?

Counselor, this sounds like a confession. I've seen you use this "rationalization" to justify every time you jump from Tundra, to Power Wagon, to Powerboost, to Tundra, to GMC. Seriously, it is just a short matter of time until you get bored with that AT4x and that sluggish Baby Duramx that doesn't really suit anyones driving habits. It's all fine, just got to recognize that it is not build quality that causes you to change vehicles more often than the average Manhattanite visits Staten island.

 

Have never owned a power wagon. Also, I pay cash for these trucks, then sell. I’ll admit, I jump around. But it’s fun.

Moreover, the 3.0 duramax isn’t sluggish at all. It’s got a ton of power and fantastic efficiency.

 

Nothing wrong with purchasing new all the time. If I were buying new, it would be at the top of my list. But for me, it has to much DEF usage when towing, not enough power when not towing.

Anyway, I look forward to your justification for replacement in a few months

 

Def usage on this break in period is actually pretty good. 1/8 used over 1300 miles.

Oil usage is high though, but apparently that’s normal for break in.

If Ford ever made a powerboost tremor I’d consider it. Over the raptors. Just too wide and loud.

 

Any issue with the seat comfort? They seemed quite firm compared to the Tundra.

I'm still hemming and hawing. I walked out of the dealer yesterday and I somewhat think they will call me today with a lower price. I'm afraid I might say yes, but I do think I'll miss the hybrid aspect of my current truck.

 

I thought the tundra hybrid was terrible. Really disliked it compared to my powerboost. The powerboost would go strong below 20mph, didn’t take up space in the back row, and was a pleasure. I don’t think you’d miss the tundra “hybrid”, even though it got worse mpg than my raptor.

I’m 6’4”, 230lbs. No issues with the seats. They do soften up a little, but are really sturdy, but not uncomfortable for me.

 

I'm not seeing many recent failure on Reddit, Facebook or Tundras.com.

 

Maybe everyone has been Ryanwgregg'd

That is a good sign though.

 

I've driven both and found them different but comparable. "Terrible" would not be what I would describe either of them in comparison to the other even though they both had their strength and weakness. F-150 Powerboost definitely felt monster torque right off the line, Tesla like neck snapping lurch off the line. However, I felt like the Tundra pulled a tad harder when turbos came on and boost came up over say 35 mph. I can see where F-150 would likely be better getting a large trailer moving off the line, but Tundra might be better pulling up a long hill. Agree with your sentiments on Raptor. Neat toy, but not great for doing daily truck things.

Curious what kind of mpg you saw with the Powerboost? I keep hearing all these folks whining about "terrible" Tundra MPG and then later admit they are running a 4 inch lift and 37" tires.

 

https://www.tundras.com/threads/int...the-tundra-recall.144634/page-15#post-3644477

 

Test drove the new Land Cruiser and a Sequoia back to back Saturday. Very interesting. Landcruiser even with less gears and less power felt butter smooth and effortless seamless power throughout the RPM range. Like V-12 Mercedes smooth and effortless power. No hint of turbo lag or transition. Overabundance of power from right off the line to merging into traffic Toyota is really figuring this hybrid drivetrain thing out. Driving the Sequoia after really highlighted some complaints I had not noted before where there's is the more obvious mid range transition where the electric has done its thing, but you are still waiting for the turbo's to build boost. Then that stupid fake engine noise that doesn't match the tachometer and a transmission that seems to be hunting more than it should with 10 ratios to choose from. On the flipside, the Sequoia felt quite a bit more planted and secure handling though. It was disconcerting how floaty and disconnected the Landcruiser was by comparison. Steering is very light with no feedback and there was significant body roll around corners. An emergency lane change did not sound fun at highway speeds.

To be honest both were great and built to do different things, really splitting hairs.

 

2024 Sequoia Engine Failure

 

Well this stinks

 

Interesting video

https://youtu.be/1XdaccfMxn4?si=_EC8m9HWjSn2ra29

 

that video is like, so, 1980s -

 

Unfortunately, I ran across this on Reddit today. Guy lost his engine at 103k miles. Of course, it’s labeled as an engine failure but he hasn’t confirmed it’s a bearing failure yet. He’s waiting on the confirmation from the dealership. Really sucks for this guy because he was on a roadtrip in Mexico. He had to foot the towing bill from Ensenada, MX all the way back to the dealer in Chula Vista, CA.

If it is a bearing failure this might the highest mileage failure yet?

https://www.reddit.com/r/ToyotaTundra/s/LshFvvTmf0

 

What did you think of his interview with the chief engineer of the V35 engine?

 

Still, seems like people are looking far and wide on places like Reddit and the frequency is declining against the number of units in service.
The recall update will be interesting.

 

I do notice that in these posts, people will direct the failures to this website as well. So surely if there was mass failures happening we would hear about it here. I don’t have Facebook or Reddit so I only see what goes on here but I will agree it seems the failure rate has dropped off a lot.

 

I agree.
Here are the Cliff Notes- On Reddit if their neighbor's, hair dresser's cousin has a volume knob fall off they sound the alarm like Paul Revere. "Tell Everyone, Post Everywhere!" Sell everything and demand reparations!. Facebook isn't much better.
So many being sold, so many miles racking up. Yes, there's an issue but it's not tracking at a linear rate at all.
Next up, the owners that sold trucks with no issues at fire sale trade values are going to demand a refund for the trade money they lost.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4A6TWvL0iSQ&t=40s

 

I would subscribe the panic/overreaction not one one sole factor but a combination of multiple factors hitting these owners all at once

#1 Being a catastrophic failure where repairs can easily exceed the market value of a higher mileage vehicle. ($32K+ in repair cost without factoring 1.5- 3 months of a rental car)

#2 The failure occurring in both very low and over 100K mileage vehicles begging the question that this could happen at any time. You may never know if you are "out of the woods"

#3 Failures occurring well beyond initial recall VIN range leading the maybe or maybe not misplaced conclusion that Toyota has not readily identified all the affected motors.

#4 A number of Lexus and Toyota Mechanics posting that they simply have never seen anything like this amount of early catastrophic failures of a Toyota engine. See the Lexus tech posting about 3 LX600's experiencing the issue at his dealership. His point was they sold less than 7000 nationally across 244 dealers. That would be an average of 28 per dealer and 3 have already come back with catastrophic engine failure in under 2 years? Lexus simply has never had catastrophic engine failure rates on new vehicles like that, it has never happened.

#6 There have been at least 856 warrantied engine short block or engine replacements that have completed against sales of +/- 219K 2022 and 2023 models. That number very likely underreported as they are trucks that have completed the entire repair and warranty process. However, say its only 1,000 trucks total, that would mean 1 out of 250 trucks to date has had a catastrophic engine failure in the first 36 months of ownership. Toyota did have something similar with the 2020 cracked block/coolant fires from the same Tennessee factory that casts the Tundra block. They had 250 out of 44,191 that got new engines. I think this is a bit worse. It's slightly encouraging Toyota gave those owners brand new engines, but it was potentially a more serious issue, in that it could lead to an engine fire, not just a loss of engine function.

#7 The Tundra's stacking up at dealer lots is a real thing

#8 The trade in Value is a real thing

 

This is a real problem.

 

For me, I don't care about Toyota's reasoning...to me they are hiding behind a technicality regarding the hybrids. For now, that truck does not show as recalled in the news...which is likely why I can ascertain a reasonable trade value.

I'm still hemming and hawing b/c the folks are right in this thread...you haven't lost any money until you sell. I just don't trust Toyota to do the right thing in a reasonable amount of time. I personally don't want to experience an engine failure. Right now, I see them doing nothing to prevent failures.

What they've actually done is removed the ability for a non-hybrid owner to sell without taking a massive loss. A recall without a solution does nobody any good.

Short of parking this truck, providing me a permanent rental until my truck is fixed...is the minimum standard. I don't see them doing this for every truck sold. I also don't see them taking my crappy oil filter photo as proof to treat me special . . . so here we are...driving a truck that I don't trust.

 

I tend to sit on the optimistic/don't give a shit side of the spectrum.
1. Many new cars have the same dynamic of if an engine fails it's a huge part of the value. It's been that way with the Germans for years. Mitigation with a warranty is now a risk management decision an owner has to make.
2, 3, 4 and 6. You either will or will not believe what Toyota says in their recall vs a potentially thirsty employee that now has the figurative microphone. I've managed large scale quality issues. Rarely, was the emotional reaction of field service teams the answer. It was solved in labs with process.
7. So much product at the dealers and it's not going away. Look for more good deals on new and correspondingly sacrificed trade values. The math is pretty simple.
In the end, you have zero risk so you should feel good about that.
I'd rather take a low % risk with the Tundra than the endless unsolvable electrical problems I had with my F150. Everyone is free to make their choice.

 

This is the gamble and you are right. One can trade one bad deal for a potential handful of others.

 

Was just watching this. interesting.

it could very well be they changed the parts, but engine parts overtime can change many times.

the majority of people buying these cars have no idea about the recall or the “issues”. I happily bought mine knowing this, I waited, but in turn it’s a great truck.

I had a 2019 F150 platinum. Returned it 6 months early from lease during covid for some cash and for a F250 diesel. The 10spd transmission which has known issues that was never recalled, caused many thousands of owners issues, and now ford is being class action sued for, started to go around 25k.

The F250 diesel had turbo and emission issues brand new.

while it shouldn’t have happened, Toyota has had its issues here, they have addressed that it’s an issue (say whatever about the truth of their release), and for me I think the biggest flaw is not the engine or the recall, it’s the dealers strip the car over 4 days to fix it.

 

It's my perspective. IMO, the engine in the Tundra will be a solvable problem so I will not sell short. When I learned the electrical complications of the SW/HW and sensors on the F150 I was convinced they never could fix it if you got a bad one and I didn't arrive at the casually.

 

I just watched that vid, but wasn’t clear on whether the Toyota techs are being short changed on the number of hrs to do all the work.

 

As far as Tundras at the dealers it appears that this may be due to the supply side. The recall was issued May 30. This June sales numbers were 13,003 which was the second best June since the Tundra first built.